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toronto_soccer2010-05-12 19:43:41 +0000 #1
this Canadian forum is complete rubbish compared to Big Soccer's Canadian forum and North American forums in general. The info here is top notch but the discussions are totally lacking, and very uninteresting. far more Canadians are active posters there also.
Joe MacCarthy2010-05-12 19:50:09 +0000 #2
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Originally Posted by toronto_soccer

this Canadian forum is complete rubbish compared to Big Soccer's Canadian forum and North American forums in general. The info here is top notch but the discussions are totally lacking, and very uninteresting. far more Canadians are active posters there also.

And your point is? The BS Canadian forum (where I was formerly a mod before I left to try and rebuild this forum) isn't as good as Vs which is also better than Xtratime.

If half the people who have Canada as their locations posted here it would be a much better forum. But they either don't care for or have no knowledge of Canadian soccer. This forum attempts to remedy the latter.

Unlike BS this forum doesn't have a soft core women's thread but chooses to have a thread devoted to the Canadian women's game. And while I'm blasting other sites this forum credits all sources of info whenever possible. I'm not into stealing someone else's research as is liberally done at other sites.

This forum had to be killed and rebuilt. Trolls and baiting both of which plague Vs and BS at this moment were and are eliminated toute de suite. The same guy trolling at Vs was eliminated quickly here.

Earlier posts here consisted of Canada sux and one idiot who kept posting Do Canadians have split heads like in South Park. Nuked!

I can't make people be knowledgeable about Canadian soccer. If they want to follow old world allegiences and not at least lend some support to their adopted country there is nothing to do. I find it reprehensible personally.

The Vs themselves were founded on the principle that Canadians playing at home shouldn't feel like it is an away game. Canadian players were being booed by some at home. Truly scummy behaviour by some who avail themselves of what this country offers.

I try not to respond to many posts lest it looks as if I am dominating the forum. I try to stick to posting news. Believe me, I'll feel better when I see my name less and less but that won't be at the expense of trolls and anti Canada posts. It is after all a Canadian supporters forum.

To this forum's credit I would say it is the most concise source of important info on the Canadian scene. One stop shopping, all arranged in easy to follow threads, not in four or five different ones.

It has the most up to date version of Canadians Playing Abroad on the net. Whenever info at another site is updated it is also posted here and proper credit given along with what is found elsewhere.
supersjd2010-05-12 20:03:50 +0000 #3
I would post a lot more in the Canadian forum because I am Canadian and I do have a lot of Canadian pride but there are a few problems. Most Canadians barely have any knowledge of Canadian Soccer even though they're Canadian and they love soccer. I don't know a lot about Canadian soccer but I would like to learn more about it. It's hard to post in this forum when you don't know a lot about Canadian soccer and you don't want to seem like an idiot. The posts in most of the threads are just too long with too much information for one to handle. It's very hard to get yourself to read the entire article. Don't get me wrong, the amount of information you can find here is amazing but it's just not very attractive. Joe has done a great job with the Canadian forum and trust me I know how hard it is to keep up a forum that barely anyone contributes (Portuguese Forum). Maybe if we just simplify some of the topics we can have more discussions that everyone can contribute.
tino_lettieri2010-05-12 20:51:06 +0000 #4
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Originally Posted by supersjd

Most Canadians barely have any knowledge of Canadian Soccer even though they're Canadian and they love soccer. I don't know a lot about Canadian soccer but I would like to learn more about it. It's hard to post in this forum when you don't know a lot about Canadian soccer and you don't want to seem like an idiot.

Not just that, but if the level of play was much higher, there would be much more interest. Just look at how US has grown since the 94 World Cup. Not saying we need to host a World Cup to grow, but let's try and take a lesson or two from our neighbours to the south. Look, our women's team is top 3-4 in the world and there is no coverage. When they play a game, barely anything in the papers here in Québec and the only chance we have of catching them on TV is thru SportsNet. And the saddest part? A lot of the Canadian Women's team is made up of Québec girls.

On the men's side, we need to transpire the effort put forth in encouraging our youth to take up the sport and extend that to the next level. They need to know there is a career to be had playing soccer, whether it's overseas, MLS or even with the Canadian teams in the north american leagues.

You will find Canadians posting in soccer forums concerning teams overseas, the World Cup, anything, cuz they know about the team, players, etc, there is exposure over there, but to get them to be interested in Canadian Soccer, we need a better product on the field, a consistently better product, and maybe one or two teams in MLS
Joe MacCarthy2010-05-12 20:11:20 +0000 #5
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Originally Posted by tino_lettieri

You will find Canadians posting in soccer forums concerning teams overseas, the World Cup, anything, cuz they know about the team, players, etc, there is exposure over there, but to get them to be interested in Canadian Soccer, we need a better product on the field, a consistently better product, and maybe one or two teams in MLS

I have to take issue with a few comments. To hope for a higher level of play just to get more interested spectators doesn't say much for the knowledge or longevity of the spectators wanted. A true fan of the game will support what they wish to support be it U15, the Montreal Impact, or Toronto FC.

While I'd like our women's team to be in the top three or four, Fifa rank's them 11th but I think we are more likely in the top seven.

Not sure where you're looking for coverage but there are two dedicated threads here for articles from newspapers and the CSA on women's soccer. Aside from the Olympics, the women's national hockey teams don't get as much TV coverage as women's soccer in Canada. When was the last time you saw a U19 women's national hockey game? There are at least seven good forums for news and discussion of Canadian soccer and we're getting our news from somewhere.

Getting kids to take up the sport isn't a problem as soccer is the largest participant sport in the country (bigger than hockey) but as you said keeping them in the game is difficult. The problem is not about the professional career but the transition years between youth and professional where there are fewer places to play for late bloomers and those who are not yet good enough to be scouted professionally or scholastically.

It is truly a chicken/egg situation. If half of the soccer fans who live in Canada and supported foreign teams put some effort into marginal support for local and national teams in Canada, the increased visibility and revenues would greatly help Canadian soccer.

Canadian soccer will always suffer from an "auld country" mentality where fans will never admit we could match up with the auld country. Never mind that we could likely be competitive with the auld country and in the not to distant future start to win on a regular basis I don't think it would matter. For some, we will never be good enough.

It's the same thing with the US. There are those who just can't admit how good the US have become.

By the way, welcome to the forum. Good to see that you took the time to look around and find this thread.

tino_lettieri2010-05-12 21:07:23 +0000 #6
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Originally Posted by Joe MacCarthy

I have to take issue with a few comments. To hope for a higher level of play just to get more interested spectators doesn't say much for the knowledge or longevity of the spectators wanted. A true fan of the game will support what they wish to support be it U15, the Montreal Impact, or Toronto FC.

I have to disagree. Canada has lost 2 major sports franchises in the last 10 years. And you're talking baseball and basketball, not World Team Tennis. There are dedicated fans here in Montreal, but it's hard to measure. A lot of the Impact's fans here are leisure fans. The Impact just didn't draw indoors. Montreal fans want a winner more than anything else. Toronto is about the only exception. Expos left cuz of a lot of factors, Grizzlies left cuz attendance and fan interest was low. There are tons of soccer fans in Canada, but there are not many true fans, fans who will follow these guys like crazy. And face it, it's a reality.
SiN2010-05-12 22:10:54 +0000 #7
I say give it some time. Soccer in the US let alone Canada is a relatively new recognised sport. People need to actually adjust to it and accept it. This will take some time due to the fact that the majority of the public enjoy supporting either: Basketball, NFL or Baseball over there. If the US does good in the WC 2006 or the League in the US or Canada starts to turn heads then that is defenitley a good thing. I hope that the interest for this beautiful game will start rising over there and that people will start accepting it even more but maybe in a few more years time. Other than that, welcome to the new canadian soccer supporter, hope to see you around here posting so stick around buddy
Joe MacCarthy2010-05-12 22:43:18 +0000 #8
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Originally Posted by tino_lettieri

I have to disagree. Canada has lost 2 major sports franchises in the last 10 years. And you're talking baseball and basketball, not World Team Tennis. There are dedicated fans here in Montreal, but it's hard to measure. A lot of the Impact's fans here are leisure fans. The Impact just didn't draw indoors. Montreal fans want a winner more than anything else. Toronto is about the only exception. Expos left cuz of a lot of factors, Grizzlies left cuz attendance and fan interest was low. There are tons of soccer fans in Canada, but there are not many true fans, fans who will follow these guys like crazy. And face it, it's a reality.

The Grizzlies didn't leave because of low attendance. They left because the owner wanted them moved south. There is a guy on BS with all the statistics on this and he gets upset when people make the statement about low Grizzlie fan attendance and interest.

Montreal was somewhat similar as the fans gave up on a franchise that owner Jeffrey Lurie wanted moved and after the new stadium plan fell apart that was pretty much the end. So you can't really blame the fans in either case although in Montreal attendance fell and in Vancouver it didn't.

Leisure fans are important to any sport. There is a core of hardcore supporters and then there are soft supporters, you get that with any sport.

Are you posting from Montreal?

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