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Wallybanger2010-06-27 18:19:24 +0000 #1
Ok, so I just got some new wheels powder coated and I'm lookin to put my front rotors back on. The allen bolts that hold the rotors on are these proprietary "ALOC" bolts and as I'm looking at them, the heads are nearly stripped so I don't want to use them again (previous owner obviously screwed them up).

Stupid honda has the bloody button head allen bolts that have an M6 thread with a 15mm button head that accepts a 6mm allen key.

Has anyone replaced these with a different bolt? There is no fucking way I am giving Honda $50 for 12 new bolts

The torque spec on them is only 14ft/lbs so if I use an M6 allen with a 4mm head it should be fine but they will need to be loc-tite'd. If I use blue loc-tite I'm wondering if I'll be able to get them out again with a 4mm allen wrench.
CHIA2010-06-27 18:21:31 +0000 #2
I can't imagine there being any issue whatsoever.

The only difference would be the head, right?

As long as the length and thread pattern are identical, and you buy quality SS, who cares?
Mr.Sushi ya ha2010-06-27 18:31:24 +0000 #3
You should always use the proper OEM fasteners especialy for brakes....Not sure on your bike but in the past I had tried replacing OEM with other bolts and found the heads hit the caliper mounts...On the Yamaha we found the new bolts kept comming loose...In the end we replaced them with the OEM bolts and for whatever reason the bolts never came loose???

Rockwell hardness, alloy all can be different...but the bolts may look alike..
Chumly2010-06-27 19:32:54 +0000 #4
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Originally Posted by CHIA

I can't imagine there being any issue whatsoever.

The only difference would be the head, right?

As long as the length and thread pattern are identical, and you buy quality SS, who cares?

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Contrary to popular belief, and probably the most common misconception about fasteners held by our customers here at Hillco, stainless steel fasteners are not very strong. Now, please don't confuse strength with toughness. Anyone who's ever attempted to drill or cut a stainless bolt knows how tough they can be. But for purposes of this article, let's understand that strength refers to tensile strength. A type 18-8 or 316 stainless steel bolt typically has a tensile strength of around 80,000 psi, which is only slightly stronger than a Grade 2 bolt. If I had a nickel for every customer who came to me explaining that he wanted to use stainless steel bolts in place of his stock suspension bolts, I'd be a rich man. But, if I sold them to them, I'd be a poor man due to being sued for selling them weak bolts! There are other types of high strength stainless bolts that are now available for such applications, but they are usually a special order item, as they are too expensive to keep in stock. So, if you need something strong that will not rust, call us and we'll help you find exactly what you need.

www.hillcofasteners.com/articles/24,1.html
CHIA2010-06-27 19:12:29 +0000 #5
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Originally Posted by Chumly

www.hillcofasteners.com/articles/24,1.html

Yeah, I guess I'm used to the high quality stuff from my sailing days, where high quality stainless is the only way to go in a serious salt water environment, both in strength and longevity.
Sikorsky2010-06-27 19:38:45 +0000 #6
Yeah, Honda's doing a money grab, go find some after market stuff, what's the worst that could happen.

Looking forward to the thread entitled either "Stupid Honda brake discs sheared off" or "Stupid Honda brake discs jammed on Stupid Honda brake calipers".

Buy the correct bolts, easier and safer in the long run. What will it cost you in time, parts, driving around and experimentation to search out a replacement?
dvsfzr10002010-06-27 19:46:51 +0000 #7
Chumly is quite right, stainless bolts are about half the strength of normal nickel plated steel bolts.

To OP: You could look on e-bay and find some good used ones, but $50 for a set of rotor bolts doesn't sound too bad to me. Maybe I'm just used to paying for bike parts.



If it makes you feel any better, some kawasaki rotors use 9 bolts per side for a total of eighteen, so count your blessings.





Brake components are NOT something to skimp on or use guesswork, in this case please buy OEM for your sake and others you share the road with.

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almost_barbie2010-06-27 21:24:52 +0000 #8
If you find a Honda that can order you the right parts, the first time, please share. I'm tired of the mouthbreathers at Carter.

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