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soccerates2010-05-04 08:29:44 +0000 #1
Dominant performance by Italy today, completely. If it weren't for about 3 World Class saves from the massive Slovene keeper, it would have been at least 4-0. Slovenia threatened almost never, and I don't recall a decent shot on the Italian net.

This Slovenian team, however, played very physically and were master tacticians at game wasting. They were clearly going for the tie. Their keeper saved their arse a good 4 times, 3 of which (as mentioned) were absolute class saves.

Also, I'd like anyone who actually watched this game to declare Totti's is shit or overrated. He kept feeding unbelivable balls through to Gilardino and Toni the whole game. Deft one-touch passes that fooled the Slovenian backfour, sent them the wrong way, feathered between three of them.

The first of which was a break through ball to Gilardino who was unable to get a shot off due to having to carry a Slovenian defender on his back. He also had his legs taken away from underneath him on that play, however since the defender also knocked away the ball it was a 50/50 call and the ref opted to not give Italy the penalty. Probably a safe call to make since it was early in the game.

Totti continued to feed balls through and about midway there was a nice three way interplay between Totti, Toni, and Gilardino which ended up being saved by an enourmous reflex dive from the Slovene keeper. I was sure it was a sure goal.

About 10 minutes later on an almost identical play, he makes an almost identical save.

5 minutes from the half, Grosso curls a ball in, however it seemed to have gone out of touch before coming back into Toni, who headed it to Gilardino who trapped and shot in one swooping motion and scored. The whistle had already gone though, so no goal.

Slovenia continued to waste time when challenged, there were 2 of their players that laid on the pitch refusing to move. You'd have thought they were shot, however one replay showed that Gattuso accidentally stepped on ones toe, but he was comically grasping at his knee. He sold the act to the referee who booked Gattuso with a yellow.

Along with his amazing one touces, Totti also made some careless tackles which earned him a yellow. Now that Italy are through I don't think he will get the call on Wednesday's meaningless match vs Moldova, but you never know. Perhaps Lippi will want Italy to end with a bang and bring the top guns.

Here is how they lined up:

.......................Peruzzi....................................

...........Nesta....................Canavaro..................

Zambrotta....................................Grosso..........

Camoranesi...............Pirlo..........Gattuso............

.....................Totti........................................

........Toni..................Gilardino..........................

Zambrotta was used on the right side since Italy have been unable to find a replacement there and his move to the right in the Scotland game turned it around for them. Grosso seems to have won out in favor of Chiellini for the left-back position with 2 solid outtings in the last two games. He was great again today.

Toni was also having a rough time with Slovene defenders as they hung off of him almost the whole match, he is too big of a man to be brought down, however Gilardino is not as physical, therefore Lippi brought in Zaccardo (a defender for Gilardino) in the 59th minute. At first I wondered if the attacking style was about to come to an end with the replacement of a forward with a defender, but it wasn't to be. You see, the trend in Italy these days is to produce attacking left and right backs, all of them must have this attribute; Zambrotta, Chiellini, Grossi, Zaccardo, and even the retired Pannuci were all good at going forward. Zaccardo was brought into the right back position and Zambrotta was pushed forward on that left side. It gave another attacking angle as Zambrotta was alleviated from defending duties since Slovenia almost never threatened and was able to terrorize in his natural left wing position, and this itself led to the goal that cracked the game open.

Totti and Toni (I believe) play it back and forth in the mid field, one touch, then send to a streaking Grosso on the left...who crosses it in alluding all the Slovenes for a diving Zaccardo, and Italy get the goal they were denied 4X prior.

Italy continue to attack, but play mostly possession from there on in.

Making a few more meaningless subs. As I've said in earlier commentaries, Vieri is suitable for a super sub status, and could have put the ball away a few times but failed to control after he had the Slovene keeper beat. De Rossi came in for Pirlo late on and did pretty well also.

Lippi is playing a good progressive game, and this was nother encouraging performance.

We are now qualified for Germany with a few others who did the business today.

From here on in Lippi is going to need to tweak a few things, here and there. I hope he brings Cassano back into the fold, because while the more physical Toni was necessary against the bigger and more physical Slovenians, Cassano is still more skilled and his runs can open up any defense, especially given his excellent chemistry with Totti.

Here we come Germany!


brazuca5copas2010-05-04 08:35:14 +0000 #2
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Originally Posted by soccerates

Dominant performance by Italy today, completely. If it weren't for about 3 World Class saves from the massive Slovene keeper, it would have been at least 4-0. Slovenia threatened almost never, and I don't recall a decent shot on the Italian net.

This Slovenian team, however, played very physically and were master tacticians at game wasting. They were clearly going for the tie. Their keeper saved their arse a good 4 times, 3 of which (as mentioned) were absolute class saves.

Also, I'd like anyone who actually watched this game to declare Totti's is shit or overrated. He kept feeding unbelivable balls through to Gilardino and Toni the whole game. Deft one-touch passes that fooled the Slovenian backfour, sent them the wrong way, feathered between three of them.

The first of which was a break through ball to Gilardino who was unable to get a shot off due to having to carry a Slovenian defender on his back. He also had his legs taken away from underneath him on that play, however since the defender also knocked away the ball it was a 50/50 call and the ref opted to not give Italy the penalty. Probably a safe call to make since it was early in the game.

Totti continued to feed balls through and about midway there was a nice three way interplay between Totti, Toni, and Gilardino which ended up being saved by an enourmous reflex dive from the Slovene keeper. I was sure it was a sure goal.

About 10 minutes later on an almost identical play, he makes an almost identical save.

5 minutes from the half, Grosso curls a ball in, however it seemed to have gone out of touch before coming back into Toni, who headed it to Gilardino who trapped and shot in one swooping motion and scored. The whistle had already gone though, so no goal.

Slovenia continued to waste time when challenged, there were 2 of their players that laid on the pitch refusing to move. You'd have thought they were shot, however one replay showed that Gattuso accidentally stepped on ones toe, but he was comically grasping at his knee. He sold the act to the referee who booked Gattuso with a yellow.

Along with his amazing one touces, Totti also made some careless tackles which earned him a yellow. Now that Italy are through I don't think he will get the call on Wednesday's meaningless match vs Moldova, but you never know. Perhaps Lippi will want Italy to end with a bang and bring the top guns.

Here is how they lined up:

.......................Peruzzi....................................

...........Nesta....................Canavaro..................

Zambrotta....................................Grosso..........

Camoranesi...............Pirlo..........Gattuso............

.....................Totti........................................

........Toni..................Gilardino..........................

Zambrotta was used on the right side since Italy have been unable to find a replacement there and his move to the right in the Scotland game turned it around for them. Grosso seems to have won out in favor of Chiellini for the left-back position with 2 solid outtings in the last two games. He was great again today.

Toni was also having a rough time with Slovene defenders as they hung off of him almost the whole match, he is too big of a man to be brought down, however Gilardino is not as physical, therefore Lippi brought in Zaccardo (a defender for Gilardino) in the 59th minute. At first I wondered if the attacking style was about to come to an end with the replacement of a forward with a defender, but it wasn't to be. You see, the trend in Italy these days is to produce attacking left and right backs, all of them must have this attribute; Zambrotta, Chiellini, Grossi, Zaccardo, and even the retired Pannuci were all good at going forward. Zaccardo was brought into the right back position and Zambrotta was pushed forward on that left side. It gave another attacking angle as Zambrotta was alleviated from defending duties since Slovenia almost never threatened and was able to terrorize in his natural left wing position, and this itself led to the goal that cracked the game open.

Totti and Toni (I believe) play it back and forth in the mid field, one touch, then send to a streaking Grosso on the left...who crosses it in alluding all the Slovenes for a diving Zaccardo, and Italy get the goal they were denied 4X prior.

Italy continue to attack, but play mostly possession from there on in.

Making a few more meaningless subs. As I've said in earlier commentaries, Vieri is suitable for a super sub status, and could have put the ball away a few times but failed to control after he had the Slovene keeper beat. De Rossi came in for Pirlo late on and did pretty well also.

Lippi is playing a good progressive game, and this was nother encouraging performance.

We are now qualified for Germany with a few others who did the business today.

From here on in Lippi is going to need to tweak a few things, here and there. I hope he brings Cassano back into the fold, because while the more physical Toni was necessary against the bigger and more physical Slovenians, Cassano is still more skilled and his runs can open up any defense, especially given his excellent chemistry with Totti.

Here we come Germany!

Soccerates, I'm choked ... man, I can believe in your resume match.

Please tell me the true, are you Andrea Bocelli ?
valdanito2010-05-04 08:54:02 +0000 #3
Great post soccerates. I didnt get to watch the match, so no opinion from me. I must say im happy seeing Angleo beneath the posts.
ItalianBoy2010-05-04 09:37:14 +0000 #4
Saw the game and I have to say I am not happy. We should have demolished them like 5-0 easy. Toni was a disgrace.
toronto_soccer2010-05-04 09:11:37 +0000 #5
the last 2 games for nt totti really shone. except for his corner kicks, i'd have camoranesi take the majority of them. and do y'all think toni was just shaken up a little from the fans?
soccerates2010-05-04 09:33:29 +0000 #6
A Tribute To Gattuso;

This man is the heart of the team. He can't pass particularly well. He can't score or shoot, but one thing he has is HEART. He wears his heart on his sleeve and gives 100% + effort all game. Prior to 2002 the Italian NT used to stand in a serious pose during the singing of the national anthem, but Gattuso began singing at the top of his lungs and would criticize his teammates in the dressing room to show some spirit during the national anthem. Now they all hug each other and everyone sings. It's the way it should be, forging team cohesion and chemisty.

Now if he would just learn to not shoot at the net when he gets the opportunity but pass to someone who can hit it, everythign would be sweet!

BRAZU; how come I never see one bit of criticism for your sweet Brazil when they don't play up to speed? In fact, I never see ANY comments, positive or negative, from you with regards to Brazil. No news, no player talk, nothing! Except for "we are the greatest everyone else is SHIT, hahahah..." type of crap. Per que?

What I do see, however, is that you show quite a deal of interest in the Italian national team

, asking us for our starting formation, player info, etc, only so you can retort with "hahah BIG SHITS, porcorias!" Etc.

Why don't you wait until we actually play you for you to start your trash talk?

I mean, how badly do you want Brazil to play Italy? Probably not as bad as I do

9 years is a long time, wouldn't you agree? It was 3-1 for a large part of the game before we let up and Ronaldo tied up the game. Were we porcorias (dirty shit) then too? How about 1994, were we procorias as well?

Back to the game;

Totti was very good yesterday, he feathered many many balls through with deft and sublime one-touches, of which you NEVER SSEE from Ronaldinho. Ronaldinho may possess the skill to do so, but he is more interested in dribbling and trying low percentage shots from weird angles than he is in setting up his teammates.

The only reason why Totti has failed to win anything notable, such as player of the year, or golden boot awards is that he is constantly in the media (overblown as it is) for retaliatory penalties, or the spitting incident, and because he is at Roma and not another high profile team. If he guides his team to success, he is a shoe in for player of the year, and even then it might go against him because of his perceived personality in the media.

That said, if brazuca or any other shit talker says he's crap, they're fooling themselves. They'll need to focus on the undesirable components of his personality to attack and criticize him because they can't with regards to his skill. Just like when everyone tries to write off Maradona because of his drug problem. They only do that because they can't argue against his skill!

More on the game; The Slovene keeper made 3 World Class saves. In fact, Slovenia ever challenged our net. I'm sure you were majorly disappointed and were drooling for Italy to have lost or tied so we could be subjected to your shit head remarks like "Totti is big shits" and "Italy are porcorias" and the like, but tuff luck huh? The only thing you can muster up is "Vieri is bizarre!" Yes he was, but we don't need him.

And I think Lippi should have known better than to use Toni in this game as it was in Palermo, and Italian fans are unforgiving to players that leave for bigger bucks elsewhere. Everytime he touched the ball they whistled him, and there was a chant going on that basically said "Fiorentina, Toni you traitor!" for a good portion of the match. I think Iaquinta should have started instead. That said, Lippi's tactics were infallable.

He selected Toni because he knew the Slovenians would play Italy physically, and after the first half it was clear that they were playing for the tie. Gilardino scored a perfectly legitimate goal, from what I could see initially, but later it was said that the crossed ball (from Grosso) went out of touch before re-entering (which would have been marginal, but I guess the linesman has precision measuring devices in his brain

) but other than that he was mauled to the turf everytime he touched the ball. 2 minutes into the game a through ball from Totti finds Gilardino streaking through, but his legs are removed from underneath him - no call...ok, so the angle was tough to see it from and it was early in the game so I can understand.

Gilardino was then replaced with Zaccardo (a right back), and at first I cringed because I thought that Lippi was pulling a Trapa-dummy and going to play defensively and also just go for the tie, but to my surprise he actually had another trick up his sleeve. He moves Zambrotta from the rightback position to left wing so he AND Grosso could terrorize that side, and Zaccardo (who also joins and aids the attack) on the right, since Slovenia was NEVER threatening. Zaccardo being more physical than Gilardino was able to make runs into the box without getting thrown or hacked to the ground as easily, and Zambrotta and Grosso interplayed well on teh left side to constantly thread balls into the Slovene zone. Since Toni was getting double teamed by the Slovenes, Zaccardo found himself free to pounce on a cross which did a double take off of him and the defender and into the net.

Not the prettiest, but justifiable since Italy was the only team doing the attacking and were already robbed of possibly one legitimate goal and about 4 others from great goalkeeping by the Slovene keeper.

If anyone suggests that they didn't control the game from start to finish, you are fooling yourself.
soccerates2010-05-04 10:59:53 +0000 #7
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Originally Posted by valdanito_10

Great post soccerates. I didnt get to watch the match, so no opinion from me. I must say im happy seeing Angleo beneath the posts.

Although he had nothing to do.

I feel for Peruzzi though. He's the one who helped qualify Italy for 98 but didn't play due to injury and the same with 2000. He has now helped (somewhat) the qualifications for 2006, but again will likely not play.

Angelo is a good positional keeper, but if Buffon is back on form, no one can argue his inclusion into the team because he's the best reflex keeper in the world!
ItalianBoy2010-05-04 10:18:04 +0000 #8
…especially when today Brazil tied against Bolivia. Bolivia dominated Brazil totally and was close to score many times. Robinho sucked badly.

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