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Mancini & Cuper's "Master Pieces"

Sebastian2010-05-05 06:29:32 +0000 #1
...The resemblense between these two is incredible...The only diferense between them is that the first was a forward and the second defender...I want to make this comparation between them bouth becouse i think that these two made the most peculiar and paralogical tactical decisiones i've ever seen ...they are bouth incredibly unflexible and defansive and they bouth are responsible for humiliating this awesome Club...at least Cuper allmost won the Scudetto and reached two Champions League finals,which is unimaginabile for Mancini and although i didnt liked Cuper at all,it seems that he was far better tactitian than Mancini...at least with the 4-4-2 formation...He was at the wery Top of serie A with strikers like KALLON and VENTOLA ...i will start with CUPER...

1.Swapping Pirlo for Guly...im not going to comment this...

2.Loaning the Hyper talented ADRIANO(who wasnt MATERIAL for the seria A

he preffered VENTOLA )

3.Playing Recoba as a left wing,with a Gresko "defending"the left side bihind eLcino

...It made no sense to me i mean if you play someone extremely offansive on the left wing,then you must have a brilliant left full back to close the gaps left by a winger like Recoba who doesnt have defansive characteristics...it turned a complete tactical fiasco ...

4.Playing Ronaldo in the UEFA club against pointles oponents while resting VENTOLA and KALLON for the Scudetto... I think that here everything went wrong between them...RONALDO was injured in one of those matches and watching him play in the UEFA cup was weird,becouse Cuper rested his important players and we all know that he didnt wanted the UEFA CUP..people thought that he wanted for RONIE to regain his fitness and form,that's what i thought too untill i saw RONALDO comments when he left INTER and i reccal that he used the UEFA matches to blast CUPER...

5.Not playing SEEDORF in the most decisive match of the season against Lazio on Olympico,beside the fact that he was INTER'S best player of the second half of the season(he didnt played in the first half )he scored goals,he was the creative engine and he made a miracle against Juve on SAN SIRO when he embarassed BUFFON with a goal from 38m while we were losing 1:2 till the 88'min and he scored the first too ...the reason why did he left him(the most creative player we had)for that crucial match is Beyond me... ...

6.Substituting VDMeyde with HELVEG in the 26'min against Milan we were afcourse THRASHED...

7.Swaping Seedorf with COCO,who Milan used incredibly well,while INTER played COCO couple of games...

8.Selling 50%of ADRIANO in order to sign CANNAVARO...later INTER payed 27m euros for those 50%to regain ADRIANO... can you imagine this???

9.Substituting CRESPO with GAMMARA in the C.League super derby against Milan,while INTER was losing with 0:1 "at home"...i dont know abaut you but i was Furious...

These are his most valuable "Master Pieces"but i will always wonder about his Champions League Master tactics and im not sarcastic here...he knew how to play in that tournament...the way he completely destroyed Arsenal on Highburry was unbelievable but his unflexible tactitcs payed its due...

Its Mancini's turn...i think that all of his matches are "Master Pieces"saving few games ...

1.His Decision to sell Cannavaro to our biggest enemy and replacing him with Mihajlovic,now Sinisa is ten times better defender than Fabio but not when he is 37 years old...now Cannavaro has been nominated for the FIFA award and Burdisso is out of favour...this ruined Mancini's first season and insinuated his inability to recognise great players...

2.Vieri lover... ...we were all surprised by his prefferense with his "friend"

3.Leaving ADRIANO om the bench against Milan in order Vieri to play...he inserted ADRIANO in the 80th min...this my favorite "Master Piece"of them all...

4.Playing this midfield

------Cambiasso----

VDM--------------Kily

against Milan in the C.League,while leaving ADRIANO alone in the forward...You dont play like this pal we lost "at home" and we had a mountain to climb

instead of playing with 3 strikers he choosed wingers instead of midfielders like VERON and STANKOVIC...MILAN scored two more goals and we suffered the biggest humiliation possible...at least with CUPER they didnt beat us...

5.Ignoring EUROPE'S Best defansive midfielder DAVIDS...we were all impressed when we convinced him to leave BARCA for INTER...so that he can sit with the fans,not bieng called even on the bench after he left INTER he has been reccled in the Dutch national team...

6.Hiding like a pussy on the bench on the whole match against SAMPDORIA and when RECOBA scored the winning goal,he jumped like a VICTORIOUS EMPEROR and yelled toward the fans as if he was responible for that victory in the last seconds...that match was won becouse of individual qualities not becouse he tacticaly inspired the players...

7.Remember when we lost the match from Messina on SAN SIRO last season???He was afright to play offansive even against a team like Messina

8.Fielding Pizarro-Veron-Cambiasso-Kily

against Palermo,while leaving FIGO and STANKOVIC on the bench what he wanted to acomplish with three central midfielders and one SANTA CLAUS on the left wing,we can only speculate...afterall 4-4-2 system works with two classy wingers and two cool central halfs...this was absurd...

9.Playing 4-5-1 the most defansive formation against Porto...perhaps you think that i will say"they are weak"stuff like that...but everyone who knows QUARESSMA(who in my opinion should be one of INTER'S TRANSFERS next summer ) and DIEGO wont underastimate Porto...now our dude Evilmact will state that they were "Lucky" two own goals cant be lucky when you behave like a pussy,someone will stick his CUCUMBER

and that has nothing to do with Luck,its just Human Nature Luck is for the Lottary players

10.Arguing and insulting the referees after losing a match against authoritative oponenents...like against LAZIO last season when he was"rewarded"with two match ban...the same happened with ROMA this season...he's really arrogant and a coward...

11.Defending against a record breaker JUVE and completely misscalculating the tactics...all this guy knows is DEFENDING...we got spanked pretty hard here...

12.And perhaps his most humiliating defeat,against ROMA on SAN SIRO... this was particulary heavy and could be his ticket in one direction...ROMA completely outplayed us...they were concrete and lucide all the time and deserved to win+they had 100%chanses,which gives more essence to their Victory...

...Feel free to add another"Master Piece" if i left out something... now lets wait till latter when the match against SAMP starts perhaps he'll add another jewel in his Crown of tactical "Master Pieces"... ...


devious2010-05-05 06:40:27 +0000 #2
maybe I`ll add another Master piece after Samp game, but I hope not realy
Zek2010-05-05 07:18:08 +0000 #3
you know my position we should not sack Cuper...

Cuper's results with valencia were awesome and with Inter too...

for Cuper:

Playing Ronaldo against Lazio may5th...

for Mancini:

selling Emre and Karagounis for Pizzaro and now selling Pizzaro for Cassano...
evilmact2010-05-05 06:56:47 +0000 #4
Quote:

Originally Posted by eLcino

...The resemblense between these two is incredible...The only diferense between them is that the first was a forward and the second defender...

Well, it's said that defenders are usually the best tacticians

Quote:

Originally Posted by eLcino

4.Playing this midfield

------Cambiasso----

VDM--------------Kily

against Milan in the C.League,while leaving ADRIANO alone in the forward...You dont play like this pal we lost "at home" and we had a mountain to climb

instead of playing with 3 strikers he choosed wingers instead of midfielders like VERON and STANKOVIC...MILAN scored two more goals and we suffered the biggest humiliation possible...at least with CUPER they didnt beat us...

That's not right, this were our formations against Milan:

1st Game Milan 2 - 0 Inter

------------------Toldo-----------------

J.Zanetti---Cordoba---Mihajlovic---Favalli

Veron----C.Zanetti--Cambiasso--Stankovic

--------------Cruz--Martins----------

2nd Game Abandoned

------------------Toldo-----------------

J.Zanetti---Cordoba---Materazzi---Favalli

VDM--C.Zanetti--Veron--Cambiasso----Kily

------------------Adriano-----------------

Stankovic was not called for the second game, maybe he was injured or something, but I agree it was a ridiculous formation because of the situtation, we needed at least 2 forwards from the beginning to score

Quote:

Originally Posted by eLcino

8.Fielding Pizarro-Veron-Cambiasso-Kily

against Palermo,while leaving FIGO and STANKOVIC on the bench what he wanted to acomplish with three central midfielders and one SANTA CLAUS on the left wing,we can only speculate...afterall 4-4-2 system works with two classy wingers and two cool central halfs...this was absurd...

That didn't surprised me at all, he was finding a way to play with Veron and Pizarro together, last season he used several times Veron in the wing and he tried the same with Pizarro.... of course it didn't worked.... fortunately he hasn't used that formation again

Quote:

Originally Posted by eLcino

9.Playing 4-5-1 the most defansive formation against Porto...perhaps you think that i will say"they are weak"stuff like that...but everyone who knows QUARESSMA(who in my opinion should be one of INTER'S TRANSFERS next summer ) and DIEGO wont underastimate Porto...now our dude Evilmact will state that they were "Lucky" two own goals cant be lucky when you behave like a pussy,someone will stick his CUCUMBER

and that has nothing to do with Luck,its just Human Nature Luck is for the Lottary players

Well, luck or not luck I still think Porto was not superior to us, we could had won that match

. I don't think the formation was too defensive as you say, I mean, 5 midfielders yes, but 4 of them are more offensive than defensive: Veron, Solari, Figo and Pizarro. Only Cambiasso is a natural ball winner.

Nice work eLcino, I may add (not only for the Sampdoria match but also because he did it many times last season) fielding Recoba in the last 5 minutes . I understand him, Recoba is talented enough to change destiny, but is stupid to think he can do it all the time
Ryan272010-05-05 07:19:14 +0000 #5
Quote:

Originally Posted by evilmact

Nice work eLcino, I may add (not only for the Sampdoria match but also because he did it many times last season) fielding Recoba in the last 5 minutes . I understand him, Recoba is talented enough to change destiny, but is stupid to think he can do it all the time

True...but then he can't do anything if he's not on the field either. Anyway, good points evilmact. I do hope Mancini figures out how to play Veron with Pizarro...and I still think the way to do it is 4-3-3.

Also elcino, thanks for an entertaining read...I had to laugh at some of the idiotic episodes of the past

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Zek2010-05-05 08:35:05 +0000 #6
For Cuper:

starting up with Vivas (first game of the season for Vivas) against Milan...
brandes leonid2010-05-05 07:52:02 +0000 #7
eLcino, you've done many mistakes.

Cuper:

1. It wasn't his choice. There was a reson I can't tell you. I've told you this once- It was above Cuper and not a choice of his.

4. Ronaldo, indeed, needed to gain fitness. Then Ronaldo complained that cuper played him when the doctors didn't allow to- Ronaldo is a lier, because Inter can't play players if the doctor doesn't allow to.

6. Van Der Meyde completely lost himself in the field and he made ACM's players' life really easy. With Helveg we didn't improve up there, but were more solid in the back.

7. see 1.

8. Parma didn't agree for less than this. Parma build players into greatness and then sel them. Parma was ready to invest in Adriano only if they get money for his greatness in the future.

Mancini:

1. It wasn't his decision. Simply as that. He actually was angry with this decision.

3. Adriano was far from 100%.

4. If I remember correctly- we didn't have strikers- they all got injured at that time. We had a real crisis.

5. Cambiasso was great and Mancini didn't want to play with 2 deffensive middlefielder.

6. he gave the team that mentallity of not giving up last season.

9. he wanted to try something with Veron and Pizzarro together, and it was the best match to try it out(Unlike Palermo).

12. Roma was a little better than us and got an imaginative penalty, while we deserved at least one penalty for us.
devious2010-05-05 07:11:08 +0000 #8
Expect a rocket launcher post from elcino anytime now

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