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The red card helped Arsenal

Feanor2010-05-08 21:56:34 +0000 #1
I noticed that many gunners say that the ref should not have sent Lehmann off and allowed the goal, saying that was the reason why they lost and they could have come back in 11 men. Not really, and here it is why, in the opinion of the Barca fans :

Most gunners boast they were a tough nut in 10 men, so in 11 they would have won the match. This is not true at all. Arsenal only seemed to be that good, because red card was a way better scenario than the 0 - 1 for Barcelona and the worse possible scenario for Barca.

Anyone who has watched Barcelona this year knows that. Barcelona is a great team, but they are crap at breaking a bunkering team. It has happened for at least 2 years now that Barcelona is worse DEFENSIVELY against a team that bunkers than a team that actually plays offense.

After the red card Arsenal played with 10 men within 25m of the goal and countered through Henry and sometimes Ljunberg. Barcelona's defense against the counter is the weakest part of their game. What practically happened after the red card ? Arsenal had to go defensive and hope for a chance on a counter or a set piece. Well, this is a nightmare scenario for Barca. Because they had to face the best defensive in CL this year, against a team not willing to open up, which had the best weapon for this kind of tactic : Henry. Barca had to pressure and come forward, so there were more spaces in the defense.

Many say that Ronaldinho had a poor match, but if he had to face a defender like Oleguer, as Henry, Ronaldinho would have flayed him alive.

If that goal was given Arsenal might have probably been tired chasing the ball, because there is where Barca is best: TO KEEP THE BALL IN THE TEAM. and they control and make fun of their opponents when they are leading the game. You see all technics and movements of Ronaldinho when Barca LEADS the game not when they lies under. And one more thing Arsenal is best to counter attack and if they were lying 1 goal down they would have never got this chance because this advantage would have been for Barca. Again, I don't think there is a better weapon for fast counterattacks than Henry, a player whose main advantage is his pace and skill. Especially when he has to face a defensive which is not known as impenetrable, against a team who is forced to come forward.

If it was 1-0 Barca, the goals could have kept rolling in while Arsenal were trying to attack. But after the red card Arsenal played 8-9 men defense. They were less willing to move the ball forward, so they bunkered. At this point Arsenal were playing with more defenders than before the red card, hence Barcelona had less room to operate (near the box that is), as it was packed with Arsenal players.

Because Arsenal were not pushing forward, Barcelona pushed more men into Arsenal's half. Whereas in the beginning Henry might attack along with Hleb and/or Ljunberg against 2 centerbacks, a dm, and a fullback, Henry alone now would be able to go against only 2 players, hence making the odds better on Henry.

This season Barca gave up plenty of goals by a bunkering team on the counter. Not a lot, considering how few they gave up... but probably a decent percentage of their GC.

But why, despite their offensive power, Barca has this kind of problems ? Barcelona are not direct, they enjoy short passing and buildup. Teams in la liga regularly play Barcelona very defensively, with most, if not all, men back and clogging their box and the space just in front of it.

Barcelona lack a poacher, a good scorer from headers (Larsson doesnt start usually), and good crossers. Barcelona prefer to score the "pretty" goal. It is more common to see in South America, teams which want to score with passing, not shooting. So Barcelona control the ball, bring it to the box, pass it back because the box is clogged, repeat and rinse. Barcelona wish to keep possession, so they force much less than a team like Chelsea.

I would say an AC Milan or Chelsea are good at breaking down defenses. They are more direct, have players that can cross, have people who can win a header, and people who will shoot from distance.

If you look at Barcelona over the last two years, their problem has been defending the counter. Look at Chelsea last year, look at Real in the 2nd game this year, look at the countless teams smaller teams in La Liga who have tied, beaten, or at least been somewhat successful employing such a tactic. In many a match-threads you are able to see others and me saying the old "not this again," Barcelona with 60-70% possession, but they can't do anything against the bunker. Then when lucky, Barca score and then the game quickly turns into 2 or 3-0 since the other team is forced to attack.

One only needs to look at the last clasico between Barcelona and Real Madrid for proof. Barcelona were owning the game until Roberto Carlos got himself sent off. With less men nearly every team will sit back, clogging the box, making it more difficult for Barcelona, as they are a team that wishes to walk the ball into the goal.

I really think it is time for people to end the cries that the red helped Barcelona and that Barcelona could barely beat 10 men, as it is not always easier.


paul12010-05-08 22:07:59 +0000 #2
maybe in spain, but wen an english team goes a goal down in the early stages they push harder. arsenal were all over barcelona before lehmann came off, it was VERY one sided. how can u say such a dumb thing like having your best goal keeper sent off who helped arsenal keep 10 CL games with no conceded goals a HELP to us? you are mad. we will see u next time
Feanor2010-05-08 22:33:07 +0000 #3
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Originally Posted by paul1

maybe in spain, but wen an english team goes a goal down in the early stages they push harder. arsenal were all over barcelona before lehmann came off, it was VERY one sided. how can u say such a dumb thing like having your best goal keeper sent off who helped arsenal keep 10 CL games with no conceded goals a HELP to us? you are mad. we will see u next time

First of all, my point was that the red was better for you than awarding the goal.

About the gunners dominating, if you mean Arsenal was down 0-1, than absolutely. That's like Peter McNeally's old line, "I was kicking Mike Tyson's arse until he knocked me out" from ten years ago. Barcelona was up 1-0, and the idiot ref botched the call completely. Barcelona was up 1-0 if it weren't for the refs incompetance (which he'd double later in failing to expel Eboue for diving and instead rewarding him, and Arsenal with their only goal. The height of absurdity).

Yes, Arsenal dominated in the first 5 minutes after Henry nearly scored twice inside that period (to be exact the first three minutes of the match). Then, Barcelona took over. In fact, Barcelona looked less dangerous after the red card until Campbell scored.

Maybe you would do well to remember that Arsenal had their chances in the second half, after they scored an extremely lucky goal by Campbell, and Barcelona was forced to play the worst strategy for them : attack against a bunkering team and leave spaces in their defense, which we all know is vulnerable against counters.

Second, when I write 100 lines analyzing in detail the match tactics, the styles of play for both teams and you come and dismiss my opinion as "dumb" and "mad" in only 5 lines, without making any effort of challenging my points, I feel quite insulted. That's like a schoolboy whom, when someone made a demonstration for a math problem, comes to that person and says "Hey, how can you say this is the result, you are dumb". If you do not agree, be my gust, but try to post something more consistent next time.

And, yes, it's strange, but it happens in football, look at the match between Barca and Real. The red card really helped Real in that match because it forced the galacticos to apply a tactic which is the toughest for Barca to break.
raulmadrid2010-05-08 22:17:24 +0000 #4
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Originally Posted by paul1

maybe in spain, but wen an english team goes a goal down in the early stages they push harder. arsenal were all over barcelona before lehmann came off, it was VERY one sided. how can u say such a dumb thing like having your best goal keeper sent off who helped arsenal keep 10 CL games with no conceded goals a HELP to us? you are mad. we will see u next time

hmmmm...i havent seen ur team pressure anything.... Ur good at bunkering then countering with Henry.... thats it.

Id say you would have been taken down at least 3-0 if Barca had gotten the goal.
shiverez2010-05-08 23:05:03 +0000 #5
Actually Arsenal only pressured Barca for the first 7 minutes 42 seconds. Yes I timed it and that was when things started to change. Barca took possession and started to get better... eventually, by the 13th minute. Barca was dominating the game.

It was in the near 20 minutes that Barca got the goal disallowed. By then Barca was already dominating Arsenal, piercing through their defense at will.

You must be an idiot to think that Arsenal was fully dominating prior to lehmann being sent off. Maybe you should wonder WHY it is that lehmann was sent off. If Barca's goal was not against the run of play and lehmann had to do a desperate act to stop barca from scoring, was Arsenal dominating?

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