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Luxemburgo's 4-2-2-2 tactics are failing in Europe!

soccerates2010-05-09 18:27:00 +0000 #1
Luxemburgo has stated that he is "backtracking" and going back to old tried and tested formation

(which IMO died long ago!!):

The Marca reports:

"la novedad en el sistema, que rompe el dibujo del cuadrado, viene por

la presencia de Beckham pegado a la banda derecha. El inglés tiene

órdenes de pegarse a la cal, llegar hasta la línea de fondo y poner


Which basically states Beckham's role in the team, pulling him away from his traditional winger position into a more central one. The rest of the article is below:

Essentially Luxemburgo calls his system a 4-2-2-2, however from another perspective it's a variation of a 4-4-2 with midfield diamond with this one being a 4-2-4 with a forward diamond. So Luxa has essentially reverted back to a formation that Brazil used in the early days when defensive strategies were much less the priority.

It's essentially a wingerless 4-2-4 with a typical back four which is unprotected by 2 DMs. The offense using the "trendy" "magical square" with

Ronaldo, Robinho, Raul and Baptista being part of a diamond where

Raul and Robinho seemingly switch positions on the diamond's head to

confuse their markers. Somewhat of an offensive (dual meaning ) pseudo-version of the Dutch "total football" of the 70's.

In short. I think this formation is going to fail in Europe, but I'm willing to be proved wrong. I think Luxa should be given till December to make it work. Failing that, he probably should be fired.

Brazil itself plays a 4-1-2-1-2 (or 4-3-3 with dual triangles). Using a back four, 2 zonal marking CBs and 2 attacking full-backs. 1 DM (Emerson) and 2 wide-men (Zé Roberto and Kaká) with Ronaldinho behind Ronaldo/Robinho and Adriano. So, even though they do not use a forward diamond the "magical square" is coined by them.

Is this Luxemburgian 4-2-4 with a forward diamond a popular tactical

system in Brazil these days? No. Scolari would never use such a loose formation and neither Parreira.

To be honest I don't remember Luxemburgo having Santos play like this, can anyone who watched them more frequently comment?

In a faster paced football like Europe's I think the 4-2-4 channels too much of the game through the centre, thus robbing it of the speed and extra creativity it could have if they used wingers. In addition the lack of wingers

handicaps the fullbacks in case they requires additional assistance to stop a counter attack from opposing wingers, especially in a game that relies on aggresive/fast wingers as much as the Spanish one does, and Europe in general.

Anyhow my question and the result of this posting is the poll question:

1 - Keep Luxemburgo and give him till December to prove himself.

2 - Fire him now and cut the losses.

Firing him would mean that the soap opera that has become Madrid in the last few seasons would be forced to find yet another coach, who will typically use the same excuse that Luxa used at the end of last season citing that he did not have his choice of players in the team. That would see a sliding door of players coming and going and instability in the team, who's main fixtures are aging (Zidane, et al) and not necessarily being rejuvenated by Father Time.

What do you guys think?

r0naldo4life2010-05-09 18:42:09 +0000 #2
my opinion is that all we need is time.. and with time we'll succeed...

real madrid doesnt even need a goddam formation to win

just place all them galacticos on the pitch and give them the order.. of go freaking score..

our problem is defence..

and its not our formation thats the problem.. its the fact that we dont have a person to supply balls into the penalty box for our FOUR strikers to score..

zidane is missed.. very much.. and hopefully we'll do fine till he's back since both our games are well in our reach..

good thread soccerates

Raulwillbeback2010-05-09 18:43:48 +0000 #3
Stop saying that about zidane. he is world class, but if we cant win withour him we wont anything after this season as he is retiring. it is the formation's fault. the problem is the players are too compact with means less space for ronaldo and raul to move around.
RonaldoD082010-05-09 19:02:05 +0000 #4

Originally Posted by Raulwillbeback

the problem is the players are too compact with means less space for ronaldo and raul to move around.

Take Raul out then...
Raulwillbeback2010-05-09 19:52:59 +0000 #5
yea what ever, then who do we put in? whoever we put with hog the space too. that was a stupid response by you.

P.S Man try not getting yourself banned again.
Xikunahity2010-05-09 20:37:48 +0000 #6
RonaldoD082010-05-09 19:47:40 +0000 #7

Originally Posted by Raulwillbeback

P.S Man try not getting yourself banned again.

Don't worry about me that much...

PS:Were you trying to imply something... . I don't think you are smart enough or old enough for that matter...kiddo...
Raulwillbeback2010-05-09 19:11:38 +0000 #8
hey man, calm down you dont have to try to insult me just because you can't justify your comment earlier.

P.S Everyone knows how stupid you are because you never learn. You get banned all the time, but you still dont learn. When you get some manners come back and talk to me.



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