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localboy2010-05-10 09:27:16 +0000 #1
A stupid question from a stupid englishman.

In the quarter final of the Euro's the Croatia fans had a banner saying "Against mod€rn football". The phrase, I think, was used first in Italian, but in the last year has been adopted by many English fans too- this week by Ipswich Town fans (the greatest team in the world!). Was it used in Croatian league football first? Was it held up by fans of a particular club (Hadjuk, Dinamo etc?)? Is it a common occurrence then?

Thanks in advance for any help with this....

Jake
BBBul dog2010-05-10 09:41:21 +0000 #2
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Originally Posted by localboy

A stupid question from a stupid englishman.

In the quarter final of the Euro's the Croatia fans had a banner saying "Against mod€rn football". The phrase, I think, was used first in Italian, but in the last year has been adopted by many English fans too- this week by Ipswich Town fans (the greatest team in the world!). Was it used in Croatian league football first? Was it held up by fans of a particular club (Hadjuk, Dinamo etc?)? Is it a common occurrence then?

Thanks in advance for any help with this....

Jake

This:



is not exclusively slogan of Croatian fans but of all football fans who protest against the role money and sponsorship have in modern football which is little by little becoming exponent of capitalism and not sport.
localboy2010-05-10 09:32:22 +0000 #3
Thats the one, any ideas on who would have hung it at that game though?
BBBul dog2010-05-10 10:11:31 +0000 #4
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Originally Posted by localboy

Thats the one, any ideas on who would have hung it at that game though?

What do you mean? Croatian fans of course.When we go to NT matches we do not segregate Hajduk and Dinamo fans.
Cro_Sensation2010-05-10 09:53:45 +0000 #5
Firms during NT matches are not seperated as BBB said. Rijeka's Armada, Osijek's Kohorta, Dinamo's BBB and Hajduk's Torcida all have this oath of non-violence between each other when it comes to the NT.

Obviously, it happened once when we first played England in Croatia, BBB and Torcida fans clashed, but that was outside of the stadium

Anyways, I guess he's asking if there is any group of fans that claimed responsibility for it. Kinda like Armada claimed responsibility for the human fascist symbol at the Italy match in 2006. lol.
localboy2010-05-10 11:35:40 +0000 #6
Sorry, I did say I was a stupid englishman..... I'll rephrase it, have you seen similar banners at league matches in croatia (or across Europe)? I know I've seen them in italian league footballI'm just trying to find out the origins.... Cheers again though,

Jake.
localboy2010-05-10 11:45:41 +0000 #7
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Originally Posted by Cro_Sensation

Firms during NT matches are not seperated as BBB said. Rijeka's Armada, Osijek's Kohorta, Dinamo's BBB and Hajduk's Torcida all have this oath of non-violence between each other when it comes to the NT.

Obviously, it happened once when we first played England in Croatia, BBB and Torcida fans clashed, but that was outside of the stadium

Anyways, I guess he's asking if there is any group of fans that claimed responsibility for it. Kinda like Armada claimed responsibility for the human fascist symbol at the Italy match in 2006. lol.

Cheers for that Cro, I hadn't heard about the human fascist symbol, will have a look now for it. Did they take it from "the producers"? hahaha. Can you tell me, are there clear political lines drawn between the ultras of different clubs? The banner in question is of anarchist origins (I think) so this might not have been supported by all, whatever the message.... Does that make any sense,

Jake
Cro_Sensation2010-05-10 10:34:00 +0000 #8
The fascist symbol was actually a reply to the Italian fans waving Communist Croat flags. If there's one thing that will make Croats snap, it's waving communist flags at us. lol.

The match was in Livorno, so it explains a lot, Livorno is a extreme left wing club.

Anyways... I would say most clubs in Croatia lean towards the right. I wouldn't say extreme right, but are a lot more Conservative in nature.

The banner I think is just a general statement that we all feel, and by "we" ... I mean you, me, and traditional, loyal football fans. It's not a surprise that the business aspect of football is destroying it slowly.

For example, my club, Hajduk Split, was once quite well respected in Europe. Clubs would hate being grouped with us. We'd qualify for CLs and UEFA cups without a problem. The same goes for Dinamo Zagreb, they would take down clubs like Juventus 3 - 0.

Our top players would stay with us, but now... like in many smaller countries, our talent is bought away easily by big English, Italian or Spanish clubs.

Look at Inter Milan... Can we honestly say that it is an Italian club? There are 2 or 3 players that are Italians at most. Yes, it represents Milan, but do the players who score the goals represent Italy when it goes into European Competitions. So that has something to do with it also, losing a certain connection between nation and club.

Sorry about the long post, got carried away. lol

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