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Are Fighters Fighting To Win?

HISTORY2010-06-27 20:15:31 +0000 #1
This is an interesting point I think that needs to be brought up somewhere like here.

Are too many fighters nowadays fighting to win and is it bad for the sport?

Let's go back to ten years ago or maybe even five years ago for one of the biggest MMA organizations of all time-the UFC.

You would rarely see the fight go the hands of the judges in my opinion. There was always a finish. Maybe for the odd Randleman title fight it would go to a decision but most fights were always finished.

Sure, the skillset of the fighters back then compared to now was weaker but fights undoubtedly are usually more exciting when there's a finish rather than going to the judges. Some of the best fights have been finished by decision, like the Korean Zombie .vs. Leonard Garcia or Forrest .vs. Bonnar 1 for sure.

But my point is, do too many fighters nowadays just fight to take a decision instead of finishing?

I think so...

After watching last nights UFC 114 and UFC 111 it's evident to me that more fighters are fighting to win and being cautious rather than the exciting KO or submission. Fighters that finish are usually fan favourites, that's a given.

Let's take a good example of this; Jon Fitch. The guy clearly fights to just decision his opponents. No attempt at finishing them when he outmatches them. I thought he clearly outmatched Saunders but he just grinded out a decision.

This is bad for the sport, with people like him at the top of the division, no fans find it exciting.

Whereas I know some of you think Paul Daley is a douchebag after UFC 113 but he was winning fight after fight up until the Koscheck fight by KO and was gaining lots of fans.

Many people also criticize GSP recently for riding out decisions.

I thought he was exciting and definitely nearly finished Hardy a couple of times, like the armbar but Hardy was just tough as nails and not going to tap.

If you look at some of his fights for example for 2005 or 2006 he was a bit more exciting. Perhaps it was due to outmatching his opponents largely compared to the likes of Hardy or Alves. Or maybe he wanted to win it the safest way possible.

There are a lot of wrestlers I've seen lately in the UFC that don't necessarily fight to finish. There are a lot of good ones that utilize there ground and pound, for example Mark Munoz is a beast and exciting to watch. But no offense to the Jon Fitch fans here but how can you justify his recent performances?

Just a rant here after I saw Crow's post that more should fight like Shogun and Munoz, which I agreed with. And after the last couple of UFC events in the past year it's evident that some fighters are starting to fight to win rather than to finish and playing it safe.

It could be bad for the sport...the fans tune in to see exciting fights, not boring ones.

My 0.02.


GST2010-06-27 20:22:16 +0000 #2
Fighting to lose or just plain brawling till someone gets knocked out is great for spectators but for a professional athete(this surely does not include everyone that fights in the UFC for sure) it makes little sense to brawl or risk losing to please some of the sports fans. A persons head can only be struck so many times or so hard before something life altering occurs.

You can allways break out those old dvd's from the 90's if you want.

Tha Prodigy2010-06-27 21:01:55 +0000 #3
I don't think it's bad for the sport........but I agree with the thought process that it can have a negative effect on the popularity of the sport.
HISTORY2010-06-27 20:40:31 +0000 #4
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Originally Posted by GST



Fighting to lose or just plain brawling till someone gets knocked out is great for spectators but for a professional athete(this surely does not include everyone that fights in the UFC for sure) it makes little sense to brawl or risk losing to please some of the sports fans. A persons head can only be struck so many times or so hard before something life altering occurs.

You can allways break out those old dvd's from the 90's if you want.



Haha, not really my point at the last sentence.

But I think the spectators like to see a finish, and don't truly respect someone who fights to a decision, being my point.

Let's look at GSP for example after the Penn rematch where he finished Penn. Then after the Alves and Hardy wins. He has been gaining some criticism.

Let's look at fighters who finish compared to the ones who really fight to a boring decision win.

Jon Fitch: Not many fans

Gray Maynard: Not many fans

Shogun: Tons of fans

Fedor: Tons of fans

If Fedor finished all of his fights by boring decision, he would gain less respect I'd tell you that much.

The champions who finish their fights as opposed to the ones who fight to win get much more respect.

Shogun: Lots of fans

Anderson Silva: Still has lots of fans but has been criticized for his wins over Maia, Leites, and Cote.

GSP: Still has lots of fans but again criticized.

I really started thinking after UFC 114 as most of the fights ended by decision. You can't really blame a guy like Hathaway as Diego is tough as nails to finish but the Bisping and Evans wins?

I think it's okay winning a decision if it's exciting or you completely dominate the guy but a lot of fighters are starting to grind on guys for a decision and I think it's bad for the sport.
HISTORY2010-06-27 22:08:48 +0000 #5
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Originally Posted by Tha Prodigy



I don't think it's bad for the sport........but I agree with the thought process that it can have a negative effect on the popularity of the sport.

I'm a huge fan and for the sport to be the most popular sport in the world would have me proud.

And a negative effect on the popularity = bad for the sport.

I mean go back to 2006 UFC events I can pull one out say UFC 66 or 62 and compare them to UFC 111 or 114. Cancel Shane Carwin's brutal KO out of there and compare the two and the way the fights went down.

I'm not saying the level of talent has stayed the same, but you get the point. I sort of view it as becoming an increasing problem, guys just fighting to win/decision.
GST2010-06-27 22:41:19 +0000 #6
GSP was fighting injured against Alves and has gone on record as saying something to the affect that he was suprised also how strong Alves was. I think GSP is having trouble right now accepting the fact that he is not nearly as good at jiu jitsu as he wishes he was. It looked to me like he went into the Hardy fight thinking he was gonna submit him and get a submission victory on his record but was unable to do so. He needs to work on his gnp and use his wrestling and elbows to finish guys on the ground and not go into fights looking for nothing but a submission victory. Also i was not impressed with his corner telling him not to try and pass guard on Hardy...WTF is that? Jackson IMO, is holding him back and i would rather see him being trained by Ortiz right now.

Fitch gives me a headache any time i try to wrap my mind around what he is doing inside the cage.

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