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Was thinking about the manner in which Fedor lost

Gomi2010-07-02 03:21:19 +0000 #1
Leaving his arm in and allowing Fabricio to retain full mobility in his hips. Over committing to his GnP and not having any sense of urgency.

I was thinking about it. Fedor can't be considered top 3 P4P anymore because the other fighters you see at this level never find themselves in positions where they can lose in the same fashion. BJ is never in danger of being submitted, GSP is practically in control of his opponent at all times, and nobody can even get Silva in compromising positions as of late (although him being caught isn't out of the realm of possibilities). Just a couple examples.

Just though I'd share my thoughts

I still regard him as the best current HW and obviously of all time.
smashem2010-07-02 03:32:12 +0000 #2
him losing was a combo of him buying into his own hype, and hearing too much how he was going to dominate this fight no problem.
BBHitman2010-07-02 03:26:28 +0000 #3
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Originally Posted by Gomi

Leaving his arm in and allowing Fabricio to retain full mobility in his hips. Over committing to his GnP and not having any sense of urgency.

I was thinking about it. Fedor can't be considered top 3 P4P anymore because the other fighters you see at this level never find themselves in positions where they can lose in the same fashion. BJ is never in danger of being submitted, GSP is practically in control of his opponent at all times, and nobody can even get Silva in compromising positions as of late (although him being caught isn't out of the realm of possibilities). Just a couple examples.

Just though I'd share my thoughts

I still regard him as the best current HW and obviously of all time.

I agree in a sense. All these guys besides probably BJ (beacuse the lightweights typically don't hit hard enough) are gonna experience their next loss when they get caught, or when they find someone who can grind out a decision over them. I don't see GSP, Silva or Penn getting caught in a submission in their current states, at least in the manner Fedor was.

It was somewhat weird to see someone so highly regarded in the MMA world leave himself so vulnerable. Even after he somewhat evaded the first submission attempt he was still right back at flailing away.
TadMcCowski2010-07-02 03:48:49 +0000 #4
I know this has been brought up before, but I agree and definitely consider losing via sub so quickly to be worse than getting KTFO or beat on for 3 rounds.

I mean there was literally zero % chance that Dr. Ver Doom would dominate for three rounds, so I don't think anyone was worried about that. Anyone can get caught on the chin and put down, so that was always a possibility no matter who you are. Getting so embarrassingly subbed, though, shows that either one of two things happened:

A) Fedor really isn't quite as good as we thought he was and really has been fighting too many scrubs.

or

B) Fedor underestimated the good Dr. and had an off night, which only proves he's human.

I'm more inclined to believe it's B, but it certainly opens up more questions than a simple KTFO or controversial decision.
Tribal2010-07-02 03:40:41 +0000 #5
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gomi

Leaving his arm in and allowing Fabricio to retain full mobility in his hips. Over committing to his GnP and not having any sense of urgency.

I was thinking about it. Fedor can't be considered top 3 P4P anymore because the other fighters you see at this level never find themselves in positions where they can lose in the same fashion. BJ is never in danger of being submitted, GSP is practically in control of his opponent at all times, and nobody can even get Silva in compromising positions as of late (although him being caught isn't out of the realm of possibilities). Just a couple examples.

Just though I'd share my thoughts

I still regard him as the best current HW and obviously of all time.

Normally I would agree with this assessment, but BJ and GSP usually aren't fighting World BJJ Champions. Silva fought Maia so I give him credit, but Fabricio is definitley the real deal when it comes to heavyweight BJJ fighters. I do think he had a huge advantage on the ground vs Fedor but Fedor has also shown in the past that he can defeat opponents with there own strengths and I don't consider Fedor a bad ground fighter by any means. I think he got caught in a bad spot (not an excuse) by being too overly aggressive and paid the price for it. I tend to think people aren't giving Werdum enough credit for being a phenomenal ground fighter. Will it happen again? It could, but I don't think it will and tend to think that Fedor had a bad night. One bad night out of 30 fights is nothing to discredit the guy over. Silva and GSP have both been submitted in the past. Especially Silva, to way lesser skilled opponents might I add.
jim_browski2010-07-02 03:48:10 +0000 #6
I still don't think he got "caught". He was out of the first attempt, let Fab throw his legs up again and work to the triangle. He didn't have that triangle slapped and locked in a second or two. It was just silly stuff not to just get out of that situation all together and make him stand up.

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