False Advertising vs Spoilers

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Originally Posted by sportsgenius86

YOU ARE A ****ING IDIOT.

THEY HAVE CONTRACTS WITH SPIKE. THEY CAN'T JUST SPOIL THE RESULTS OF A SHOW THAT SPIKE TV IS PAYING FOR.

How many more times do people need to beat it into your petulant skull?

And shut your mouth about staying on topic when you're derailing your own thread you moron.

OK just to put this where it needs to be...

I will agree with everybody on this whole freakin' message board that he was lying to protect the show if and only if you can tell me why it was considered spoilery for him to say "we're not booking Tito vs Chuck for the main event" ???

You don't have to give away results to say "at some point before this season is over something big will happen that will change the course of the show."

My beef is that the guy lied to the fans about the main event of a pay-per-view (bait and switch on a level) even though he knew that wouldn't be the main event. How many times do I HAVE TO SAY THAT for everybody else to get it through their skulls?

It's ridiculous to think that a guy purposely false advertising the main event of a pay-per-view would somehow be considered protecting his show's results? That is just ignorant (not to mention it is the company line that they used over and over to try to get Dana's rump out of the fire and it's just comical that it keeps getting repeated here even though it makes no sense.)

So I will agree that he lied for a good cause if someone can tell me why he had to purposely false advertise and misinform the PAYING CUSTOMER to do so.

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Originally Posted by cheeto101

Sooooo he should have screwed spike by revealing a major plot twist in their show months in advance???????? Yah because thats great business. I have yet to talk to one UFC fan, outside of internet whiners, who actually were upset that Dana didn't change the booking info right away.

In terms of Dana being "bad" for MMA., its a claim that completely ignores Dana pushing to legalize MMA throughout NA (something I have yet to see any other big name MMA promoter do), putting money into new markets and it ignores the fact that TUF actually happened on Dana's watch, regardless of whether or not he was initially onboard. The fact of the matter is that he was the pres when it happens, so to somehow say that he had nothing to do with it is idiotic. The guy is a loudmouth an is completely cutthroat when it comes to business, but he and the Fertittas have been the best thing to happen to MMA this decade.

It was no skin off my back that Dana did what he did personally, but it did make the UFC look bad to a lot of people (sportswriters had some fun with that topic for a few days, and when Dana came out and said that he'd do it again, it didn't do the company any favors.

And again, why is it so difficult for him to just not promote Ortiz/Liddell as the main event rather than spoil anything? He doesn't have to spoil anything to say "we're still clearing some stuff up for that at this point, so nothing is official." That wouldn't have spoiled anything and it wouldn't have falsely advertised a main event that wasn't happening. In fact, it would be a technical lie that would be justified.

I should also point out that the sport was already legal in multiple states (including New Jersey, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Iowa, and I believe Oklahoma) when Zuffa bought the UFC out from SEG. White has tried dozens of times to re-write history, but the fact is that even Marc Ratner himself has said whether or not Dana White took over the UFC was irrelevant that Nevada was on the verge of sanctioning the sport as well.

It's a legal issue.

Spike can go after him for spoiling a portion of the show if they really wanted. They likely never would because the UFC is pretty much their whole network at this point and it would be stupid to piss him off, but the show, Season 1 not included, is property of Spike TV as much as it is the UFC.

If Spike says it can't be spoiled, it can't be spoiled. There's nothing that can be done about it.

The funny thing is, most fans don't give a ****. It's writers and staunch anti-UFC pundits who make a big deal of it. Nobody who was going to pay for the show out of pocket themselves really gave a **** because most people don't order the cards until the day of and most people buy tickets presale or on day of and want to go to a UFC show regardless.

It's a complete non-issue to the people who would've actually been affected by the change.

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Originally Posted by CSA08

It was no skin off my back that Dana did what he did personally, but it did make the UFC look bad to a lot of people (sportswriters had some fun with that topic for a few days, and when Dana came out and said that he'd do it again, it didn't do the company any favors.

And again, why is it so difficult for him to just not promote Ortiz/Liddell as the main event rather than spoil anything? He doesn't have to spoil anything to say "we're still clearing some stuff up for that at this point, so nothing is official." That wouldn't have spoiled anything and it wouldn't have falsely advertised a main event that wasn't happening. In fact, it would be a technical lie that would be justified.

I should also point out that the sport was already legal in multiple states (including New Jersey, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Iowa, and I believe Oklahoma) when Zuffa bought the UFC out from SEG. White has tried dozens of times to re-write history, but the fact is that even Marc Ratner himself has said whether or not Dana White took over the UFC was irrelevant that Nevada was on the verge of sanctioning the sport as well.

So because some states already had MMA legalized, Dana pushing for legalization in NY, Toronto etc, etc. means jack?? Please. And thats to say nothing of the money he has poured into entirely new markets

In regards to Ortiz/Chuck/Tug, SG is spot on. No one who actually matters gives a ****

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Originally Posted by sportsgenius86

It's a legal issue.

Spike can go after him for spoiling a portion of the show if they really wanted. They likely never would because the UFC is pretty much their whole network at this point and it would be stupid to piss him off, but the show, Season 1 not included, is property of Spike TV as much as it is the UFC.

If Spike says it can't be spoiled, it can't be spoiled. There's nothing that can be done about it.

The funny thing is, most fans don't give a ****. It's writers and staunch anti-UFC pundits who make a big deal of it. Nobody who was going to pay for the show out of pocket themselves really gave a **** because most people don't order the cards until the day of and most people buy tickets presale or on day of and want to go to a UFC show regardless.

It's a complete non-issue to the people who would've actually been affected by the change.

He wouldn't have to spoil anything... Why is that so difficult to understand. I am seriously not understanding the argument. There is nothing to spoil by not promoting something. "Why aren't you promoting Tito/Chuck since they are the coaches?" "We still have some stuff to work out in getting that match finalized." Yes, it's a lie, but it's not as big of a lie as telling your fans that you have a match signed that you have no intention of offering to them.

As far as it being a non-issue, if the promoter of the UFC starts looking like a con-artist to the public in any form then it makes the promotion itself look shoddy. There's a reason people like to use pro wrestling as an insult in this context, and yet this is as pro wrestling-ish as you can get (bait and switch.) Yet, nobody seems to care.

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Originally Posted by cheeto101

So because some states already had MMA legalized, Dana pushing for legalization in NY, Toronto etc, etc. means jack?? Please. And thats to say nothing of the money he has poured into entirely new markets

In regards to Ortiz/Chuck/Tug, SG is spot on. No one who actually matters gives a ****

I didn't say it meant jack. I do say that it doesn't mean as much as everyone makes it out to be because Bob Meyrowitz himself was working on getting the sport legalized. White didn't magically snap his fingers and get people to accept the UFC by any stretch of the imagination. It was already slowly happening and White just happened to be in the right place at the right time.