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Aikido in MMA

BruceLee2010-12-11 23:23:25 +0000 #1
Thoughts on it. Continue discussion from other thread.

Classic Aikido move. Jason Delucia teaches this exact same move on his Combat Aikido instructional:



MMA Fight (Aikido in the Cage)

Steven Segal vs Jun Lee

Video From YouTube:(link)

BulldogWrestler2010-12-11 23:29:59 +0000 #2
Your example isn't WHOLLY accurate since that move is an age old Judo technique as well. I'm sure you'll have the Aikido guys saying it was always aikido and vice versa - but yeah. It's also a Judo technique and that judo technique has also been implemented in American & Chinese wrestling for quite some time.

Davis' "one arm kimura" has also been a wrestling technique that is taught on the basic levels. It's also taught in ground newaza in Judo. Catch wrestling took it in and it's a submission there too. Did it start in Aikido? Maybe. But I would imagine that Judo predates it. Not a big secret - it's been around for a long time and is taught in the basic levels of most of those martial arts. It's just not effectively used in MMA because of how you have to apply it, etc.
BruceLee2010-12-11 23:45:07 +0000 #3
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Originally Posted by BulldogWrestler

Your example isn't WHOLLY accurate since that move is an age old Judo technique as well. I'm sure you'll have the Aikido guys saying it was always aikido and vice versa - but yeah. It's also a Judo technique and that judo technique has also been implemented in American & Chinese wrestling for quite some time.

Davis' "one arm kimura" has also been a wrestling technique that is taught on the basic levels. It's also taught in ground newaza in Judo. Catch wrestling took it in and it's a submission there too. Did it start in Aikido? Maybe. But I would imagine that Judo predates it. Not a big secret - it's been around for a long time and is taught in the basic levels of most of those martial arts. It's just not effectively used in MMA because of how you have to apply it, etc.

There's a lot of crossover between judo and aikido but this techinque is more Aikido in the details than a Sukui Nage.

Judo only predates Aikido slighly since Judo was about 1890 and Aikido around 1920.

Aikido comes from Aiki-jitsu and judo from different forms of jiu jitsu.

And yes BJJ, Judo, Catchwrestling, wrestling techinques overlap.

Either way thought it shows some validity to Aikido working in MMA.
BulldogWrestler2010-12-11 23:39:50 +0000 #4
It does. I never said it didn't.

But what you end up with (in talks at budoshin events, etc) is a bunch of aikido guys who go nuts saying that their art is 100% the best and is the originator of all things and how a guy heavily trained in it can take anyone in the world blah blah blah yada yada yada. This is the **** they teach students the moment they come into class - it's so McDojo like it's almost sickening. I've seen it firsthand from SEVERAL guys in seminars given at these camps. It's retarded.

Aikido has its place and is as good a supplement to any martial art as any other one imo. But a be all, end all of self defense it is not.
BruceLee2010-12-12 00:35:59 +0000 #5
Jason Deluca (UFC) teaching Irmi Nage:

Video From YouTube:(link)
Achillles412010-12-12 00:45:46 +0000 #6
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Originally Posted by BruceLee

Thoughts on it. Continue discussion from other thread.

MMA Fight (Aikido in the Cage)

Steven Segal vs Jun Lee

Video From YouTube:(link)


Haha. That TKD vs. Aikido. What a great show down. I can hear the UFC promo already-"Two of the most useless martial arts ever created face off for the survival of their art. Only one can pretend their crap works after this epic three round battle".

Seriously, there are only so many ways a human body can be manipulated. Of course there is going to be huge crossover. The way to tell if a martial art is effective or not is not to see if they have a handful of moves that work, all arts have things that actually could work, even Capoera, which isn't even a real fighting form. The test is to see whether or not the art can defend itself from multiple attacks. A proficient kickboxer with ok wrestling will trash an Aikido guy. They just have nothing when it comes to a legitimate well rounded attack. Thats just how I see it.

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