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Level of competition outside UFC

LordZardoz2011-02-23 08:35:47 +0000 #1
Putting aside fanboy loyalty and / or anti UFC rage, it is generally accepted that the UFC presently has the strongest overall roster of MMA fighters. Lets take that as a given for the moment.

There are several other MMA promotions that can be said to be of reasonably high profile and not unreasonable competitors to the UFC. Off the top of my head:

Strikeforce

Bellator

Sengoku Raiden Championship

Dream

Deep

M1 Global

There are possibly others that belong on this list. Maybe some do not belong. These are the ones that I am aware exist that I am reasonably sure are non trivial, or have a decent chance to stay a going concern for the next 5 years*.

What would you say is the general level of competition within those promotions relative to one another, and relative to the UFC?

* I know that SRC and Dream have some serious financial issues, but I figure they are just as likely to merge or end up bought out, and they have been around for a few years.

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gonar2011-02-23 08:48:40 +0000 #2
the only division of any other promotion that can really be mentioned in the same breath as UFC is the strikeforce HW division. and most of them are UFC rejects.

you can cherry pick some great fighters from the other promos (nick diaz, some of the japanese guys like the hentai guy etc.) but no other promo has the sheer bulk of talent in every division.
LordZardoz2011-02-23 09:11:53 +0000 #3
Ok, so for the purpose of this thread, disregard the UFC. I know that most of the fighters outside the UFC are either hoping to get into the UFC, or they were cut from the UFC. A few left more more money, but most of them could not get back in if they wanted to.

The winner of the Strikeforce Heavyweight Gran Prix can be said to have won something with real significance, because as you say Strikeforce does have a very respectable heavyweight division. But does being the Strikeforce Welterweight Champion carry more weight or less weight than being the SRC Welterweight Champion? What about featherweight; Is Dream better than Bellator for that division?

That is basically what I am curious about. I am pretty sure that Strikeforce is going to come out ahead in most of these non UFC comparisons, but I wonder how much of that is due to better north american PR and how much of that is actual merit.

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DriveBy732011-02-23 09:47:52 +0000 #4
For some reason the second I read the "END COMMUNICATION" part I can no longer take the rest of the thread serious.
thelegend2011-02-23 10:31:10 +0000 #5
Out if the list Bellator and Strikeforce are the main 2 that are in competition with each other - none of the list are competition for the UFC. I genuinely don't think we'll ever see a real competitor for the UFC. It has been said before here, and I'll say it again now, casual fans are not MMA fans, they are UFC fans.

Having said that, I really like what Bellator are doing with their tourney style, only thing I disagree with is the champ having non title bouts, but I can see why they do that so that it ties in with the tourney winner gets title shot. I am stoked that this year I will finally get to see Bellator live in the UK thanks too MTV2 deal.

I like Strikeforce too, and will watch it (not live, we get repeats day after in the UK). At the moment, I prefer Bellator but i'm enjoying HW tourney so far.

SRC and Dream will be gone by Xmas, unfortunately so will K1, FEG and MMA in Japan is in financial crisis.

DEEP will hang around, they seem to be happy to out on quality shows and not expand to much.

M1 retires with Fedor
thelegend2011-02-23 11:01:08 +0000 #6
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Originally Posted by DriveBy73

For some reason the second I read the "END COMMUNICATION" part I can no longer take the rest of the thread serious.

Yeah he should atleast make it his sig so I can have it hidden with the rest if your sigs

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