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Fighters attempts to manipulate judges and refs

Cbear2011-04-23 18:15:11 +0000 #1
There are some interesting things done that I believe are to influence or manipulate refs and judges by fighters and their corners.

Not cheating, but little nuanced things to court favorable opinion.

Here are some examples......

1) Fighter gets caught in a submission hold which gives his opponent a point.

He does a thumbs up or the Mtumbo "no no" rejected signal to show he is just fine. At this point do the judges award a point for the submission or are they influenced thinking its a failed sub so no point is awarded?

Also, the ref knows the fighter is not in trouble so hopefully he doesn't affect a premature stoppage.

Its a smart move and a fighter would be smart to "counter" any sub attempt by signaling its not effective while also in the process of escaping.

2) Fighter gets hit and smiles or gestures he isn't hurt. Now granted, that is often done just seconds before they are knocked unconscious but it has the effect of showing the judges that their opponents striking isn't effective as its not doing damage. Again, if it sways just one judge not to award points then it can affect a fight.

3) During rounds the cornerman loudly tells the fighter that he is winning the fight. Is that for the fighter or is that really for the judges to hear and perhaps influence them to score that round for their fighter (especially if its close). Lets say a round is very even and as the judge is deliberating he hears a respected coach like Jackson say "you won that round, you had more effective strikes and they didn't have anything." Might cause a judge to waffle a bit and questoin if they missed something.

4) And much like no 3 above, when the fight is over the fighter immediately throws up his hands in a victory celebration. That can't change the judging for the first 2 rounds but it might be enough to influence a judge in that last round (for a 3 rounder).

I think there is some gamesmanship going on to court judges favor.


clamcakes2011-04-23 18:24:43 +0000 #2
How about Fitch and his fake punches?
Tallica19812011-04-23 18:48:35 +0000 #3
There are tons of little things that get done to attempt to influence the judges. Brazilians do it all the time. Whether it's yelling HEEEEEEEY! after every kick, or having 10 people rush the cage and hoist the fighter on their shoulders after the fight ends. Even in this season of TUF, JDS is constantly yelling about how great his fighter is doing despite literally just standing there at times. It seems like most of it is done by the corner.

As far as smiling after getting hit, I don't think it is meant to influence the judges. I think it is more of a defense mechanism for fighters who don't like to show they have been tagged hard.

Another thing fighters do is throwing their hands up when the opponent doesn't doesn't engage even when they aren't either.
Skinny2011-04-23 18:29:16 +0000 #4
Kos pretending he got kicked in the face.............

He influenced everyone that he was a douche.

Fighter pulls a George Foreman move (other fighters did it before him) where he backs off and suggests to the ref that his opponent has had enough and the fight should be stopped. This never works. The ref always let's the fight go on. I think Anderson tried this once - am I right?
Ash2011-04-23 18:48:40 +0000 #5
I think the biggest trick we've seen over the years in MMA judging is fanned punches being considered landed punches. It's definitely a real issue, and I can attest to the fact that from many angles it's difficult to determine whether shots land or not. Dan Henderson basically made his career off judges being unable to determine that (and general crookedness), Leonard Garcia is almost exactly the same as Dan, Diego Sanchez got the nod in his last fight for that same reason, Frankie Edgar became the champ by pretending to be really active whilst not doing much during a fight, etc. It's something I hate and it drives me crazy, but I also know there's no easy solution to fixing that.
Achillles412011-04-23 19:54:20 +0000 #6
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Originally Posted by Ash

I think the biggest trick we've seen over the years in MMA judging is fanned punches being considered landed punches. It's definitely a real issue, and I can attest to the fact that from many angles it's difficult to determine whether shots land or not. Dan Henderson basically made his career off judges being unable to determine that (and general crookedness), Leonard Garcia is almost exactly the same as Dan, Diego Sanchez got the nod in his last fight for that same reason, Frankie Edgar became the champ by pretending to be really active whilst not doing much during a fight, etc. It's something I hate and it drives me crazy, but I also know there's no easy solution to fixing that.

I was with you, right up until the Frankie Edgar line. If you think he lost that first fight then you sir need to move to Hilo to be with the only other people who agree with you

I personally would have given Sanchez that fight as well, and I was sitting with a few friends after that fight and we all agreed that Sanchez won. If only because he was a ballsy bastard, but I can easily see how someone would give the fight to Kampmann and I agree, Sanchez benefited big time from his crazy winged punches.

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