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UFC Superfights - Past & Present (GSP/Silva?)

BBHitman2011-08-30 02:50:17 +0000 #1
How do we define superight? To me, superfights are made up of fighters who have a history of dominance in the sport. These fighters are considered amongst the best the sport has to offer. The longer the streak of dominance, the better. If the length of dominance is short, then the level of dominance needs to be even greater. Some fighters can help their cause by their mainstream appeal. This coupled with success in the octagon can help create a super fight.

A super fight should be assessed at the time the fight occurs. We can always look back on a fighters run after it's over and begin to break down figther's flaws and how their run was merely a combination of bad opponents and luck. At the time of his fight with Rampage, Liddell was considered the best in the world. Looking back on it, his opponents during his LHW reign strongly suited his skill set. With that said, at the moment this fight occurred, these fighters were considered superstars. That's what created a super fight.

These types of fights are very hard to come by. It's difficult to have two fighters who are so great for so long at such a high level be able to square off against one another in a super fight. This is usually the case because most of the time, the best fighters are in the UFC. If two fighters are so great, one is usually a champion, the other a contender. They'll typically face off against one another before the contender has established himself the credibility of being a superstar. This is why most super fights either occur through weight class jumping, or the signing of fighters from other organizations. Now, with the UFC having nearly all of the best fighters in the world, super fights are going to be incredibly difficult to pull off.

Ever since UFC hit the map with Bonnar v. Griffin back in 05', there have been very few super fights. Here are what I consider to be super fights, and big fights.

Super Fights

UFC 94 - St-Pierre vs Penn (WW Championship Bout)

- Champ vs Champ

UFC 66 - Liddell vs Ortiz (LHW Championship Bout)

- Highest gate in North American MMA history, first time UFC hits 1 million buy mark, two of the sport's pioneers in their prime.

UFC 71 - Liddell vs Rampage (LHW Championship Bout)

- ESPN coverage begins, dominant champ vs superstar of another organization.

Big Fights

UFC 79 - Liddell vs Wanderlei

- Fighters had just clearly past their prime, but close enough to make it a highly anticipated bout.

UFC 65 - Hughes vs St Pierre II

- I have a hard time classfying this fight for some reason. Huge rematch between at the time the greatest WW champ of all time and a young phenom.

Most of us think it's time for another super fight, GSP/Silva. This one would trump all to date. How often do we have a chance to see something of this magnitude? I think it would be a complete travesty if the UFC failed to put this fight on. Not only does this fight needs to happen, but it needs to happen soon. The longer they wait, the longer the chance one of these guys loses, severely diminishing the impact this fight could have on the future of the sport.

Okay, end of my rant. Thoughts on this super fight or super fights of the past or future?


Ash2011-08-30 02:59:44 +0000 #2
Couture/Rizzo was something they were building towards for quite some time, same with Shamrock vs. Ortiz (both Frank and Ken). Couture vs. Rutten was a fight they tried to put on a bunch of times, but it never happened. I'd even classify Couture/Nogueira, Couture/Lesnar, Shogun/Griffin I, and Shogun/Liddell as super fights.
BulldogWrestler2011-08-30 03:05:02 +0000 #3
Of that list - I think that only Lidell vs Wanderlei was a real SUPERfight.
BBHitman2011-08-30 03:38:12 +0000 #4
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Originally Posted by Ash

Couture/Rizzo was something they were building towards for quite some time, same with Shamrock vs. Ortiz (both Frank and Ken). Couture vs. Rutten was a fight they tried to put on a bunch of times, but it never happened. I'd even classify Couture/Nogueira, Couture/Lesnar, Shogun/Griffin I, and Shogun/Liddell as super fights.

I did mention post Bonnar/Griffin so a lot of those don't count to what I was saying. I can see arguments for some of the others, but then going off what Bulldog says, I can almost agree with him there. Besides adding GSP/Penn where they were both champions to the Wanderlei/Chuck, those could be the only two big deal super fights the UFC has put on since 05'. It's still hard to classify Wanderlei/Chuck because it happened a couple years too late, and it goes down in history now because it was an epic fight, but it's gotta be up there.

Maybe if CroCop had beaten Gonzaga, CroCop Couture could've been up there as a HUGE fight.

But again, IMO, all pale in comparison to the possibility of Silva/GSP. They're both huge names. They're both champs. They both win. They both dominate. Make it epic. Unlikely, but if UFC finally hits NY in 2012, put them in the Garden. If not, sell out the Cowboys Stadium
Ash2011-08-30 04:25:22 +0000 #5
Obviously super fights are going to be less frequent due to the UFC being the only show in town. What seems to qualify something as being a super fight is a highly touted, yet seemingly unlikely pairing. Or, main eventer vs. main eventer. I'd say Forrest vs. Anderson would maybe fit that bill; you have arguably the most popular guy in MMA vs. the best fighter in MMA. Forrest vs. Franklin, maybe? Franklin vs. Liddell? Although that last one was definitely much too late.
BBHitman2011-08-30 04:39:47 +0000 #6
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Originally Posted by Ash

Obviously super fights are going to be less frequent due to the UFC being the only show in town. What seems to qualify something as being a super fight is a highly touted, yet seemingly unlikely pairing. Or, main eventer vs. main eventer. I'd say Forrest vs. Anderson would maybe fit that bill; you have arguably the most popular guy in MMA vs. the best fighter in MMA. Forrest vs. Franklin, maybe? Franklin vs. Liddell? Although that last one was definitely much too late.

Yes, the defining factor is a key component to this argument. I don't see aging vets like Forrest/Franklin, Franklin/Liddell etc. as super fights so much which was why I was unsure of Liddell/Silva. I think Fedor/Couture would be very similar to Liddell/Silva, borderline super fight because it happened a few years too late.

In my eyes, super fights are super rare, few and far between.

Currently, there are two fights I can see within the next year and a half. Silva vs GSP is #1 of course. And then Silva vs Jones, if Jones beats Rampage and then Rashad.

In recent memory, Fedor vs Lesnar could've been. If Fedor beats Werdum and contracts weren't an issue (obv. hypothetical), then after Lesnar beats Carwin you have a mega super fight there.

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