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wgrapple2011-11-17 16:17:55 +0000 #1
After just reading about Pete Sell getting a black belt from Nick Serra I'm curious what everyone thinks about the reputation of being a BJJ black belt these days?

Nothing against Sell but I have never seen anything in this guy that suggests he is a solid BJJ guy certainly not in his fights.

Is it just because there is a negative emphasis on bringing a fight to the ground these days or is that schools/teachers are being overly generous with giving promotions?
The Juggernaut2011-11-17 16:24:33 +0000 #2
The credential of "blackbelt" has always been overrated.
Loot2011-11-17 16:26:49 +0000 #3
I don't train, so feel free to discredit anything I say

But blackbelts are awarded based on how you perform in BJJ. If Pete Sell (or Joey from TUF) get's inside a cage and ****s himself, that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't worthy of his BJJ blackbelt, does it? He could still be perfectly capable of performing BJJ at the black belt level during submission grappling.
BruceLee2011-11-17 16:50:55 +0000 #4
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Originally Posted by Loot

I don't train, so feel free to discredit anything I say

But blackbelts are awarded based on how you perform in BJJ. If Pete Sell (or Joey from TUF) get's inside a cage and ****s himself, that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't worthy of his BJJ blackbelt, does it? He could still be perfectly capable of performing BJJ at the black belt level during submission grappling.

You are promoted if the teacher decides you are ready to be promoted. You don't have to compete at all.

Of course competing and doing well will accelerate the process but it isn't necessary.
Gomi2011-11-17 17:16:43 +0000 #5
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Originally Posted by wgrapple

is that schools/teachers are being overly generous with giving promotions?

It helps that Sell is good friends with the Serra family...

That's why the name of the Instructor/Sensei/Master is so important. Gracie's are notoriously difficult to achieve rankings with.

It's fair to assume that even being a black belt, Drago probably couldn't hang with the average brown belt at most Gracie academies.
RedStorm2011-11-17 17:07:34 +0000 #6
Well regards specifically to Sell and Serra, (and obviously I need to throw out my "I'm somewhat biased here" disclaimer) but the Serra bros by the reputation that I've acquired from them are stingy with belts. I don't know Nick personally but I'm sure that his judgment on promotions are well reasoned. I think Sell's bad string of fights (I havent seen the Thales fight though) can be attributed to his willingness to stand instead of playing to his strengths (I mean, look how easily he tapped Baroni...OK OK dont say it). He seems to be a competent striker IMHO, he just seems to have a glass jaw; in his fight with Quarry II and Sell, he was arguably winning on the feet until he got tagged. I guess it really comes down to the latter of your reasons. Dana, UFC & co want exciting fights and exciting fighters or else you may not be asked back. Its like the quote from Gladiator: "Win the crowd, you will win your freedom."

In regards to being over generous with belts, I don't think you can generalize that. Each gym is different and some have reputations for being stingy with belts while others do not.

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