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Dream Yogi2010-07-04 14:14:20 +0000 #1
Hatha,

the chakras,

spiritual consciousness

how feasible , realistic, is it t hat, by disciplined practice of hatha (or kundalini, or astanga) yoga, working on the physical body, that one attains full samadhi of the open crown chakra ?

for instance, can an intensive month long retreat, many hours a day, of disciplined work, do it, for someone that has been doing it off and on ?

I ask, because, I wonder, what is the attainment of the average westerner who casually does yoga, do they open the chakras and experience spiritual happenings at all , or do they just feel nice and relaxed?

is it possible for a hatha yogi to transcend and go up to places such as Godhead, just through his meditation + yoga, ?

part of the inquiry is that I have many serious energy blocks, and am in a Kriya school, it seems more pragmatic to fix them with hatha then with kriya, as the spine is quite in need of aligning.
Pandara2010-07-04 14:24:15 +0000 #2
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how feasible , realistic, is it t hat, by disciplined practice of hatha (or kundalini, or astanga) yoga, working on the physical body, that one attains full samadhi of the open crown chakra ?

for instance, can an intensive month long retreat, many hours a day, of disciplined work, do it, for someone that has been doing it off and on ?

I ask, because, I wonder, what is the attainment of the average westerner who casually does yoga, do they open the chakras and experience spiritual happenings at all , or do they just feel nice and relaxed?

To answer your above questions: Just as we cannot predict or know the end of the world so no one can predict or know in which incarnation someone will be ready to experience samadhi or opening of the crown chakra or enlightenment etc. Yoga is a process that happens over many incarnations and few of us know where we are in terms of our own spiritual evolution.

About the average westerner who do yoga and their expereinces, it is for no one to judge or valididate the nature of their experiences. It will be different for each person as we all come to yoga as individuals with a specific set of cultural, religious and personal characteristics and most importantly, we do not have a clue where we are in terms of our spiritual evolution, so hence it will be according to each person's inner understanding and comprehension.

What I do belief is that yoga give people, and here I include ALL people, Easte and West, a glimpse of the Divine, it prepares us for that incarnation when the purification is completed so that opening of the crown may happen. So it really doesn't matter how much or how little you do, as Swami Venkatesananda once said: "We humans are doomed to perfection."

is it possible for a hatha yogi to transcend and go up to places such as Godhead, just through his meditation + yoga, ?

part of the inquiry is that I have many serious energy blocks, and am in a Kriya school, it seems more pragmatic to fix them with hatha then with kriya, as the spine is quite in need of aligning.

What I cannot understand is that this is now the second post where you mention that you have serious blockages and that you somehow connect them to the Kriya school you are in. Don't you think that perhaps you should be talking to your teachers or if they are unaccesible/inflexible you should consider another yoga discipline or school?
Dream Yogi2010-07-04 15:02:14 +0000 #3
correct, I do not think that

I do speak with them,

in the mean time I am on the internet, where they are not, and curious .
Pandara2010-07-04 15:06:50 +0000 #4
Again, I am questioning why you don't speak to your teachers, why going behind their backs searching for answers or is it as you state merely a question of curiousity and no serious searching at all?
Hubert2010-07-04 14:41:59 +0000 #5
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how feasible , realistic, is it t hat, by disciplined practice of hatha (or kundalini, or astanga) yoga, working on the physical body, that one attains full samadhi of the open crown chakra ?

Short answer to what your question implies: it is totally unrealistic.

But the question is put wrongly because none of the mentioned schools represents only work on the physical body. Chakras are not physical, the vital body (pranayama kosha) is suprasensorial, our vital processes are just it's manifastation in the "physical" realm. But even thinking that the physical and vital nature are spearated is wrong, I only use this explanation to aid it's mental comprehension. It is rather that we have more subtle and subtle realities, and our consciousness is limited in their perception. When the hatha yogi performs asana, the yogi works not on the physical body, the yogi works on all bodies, through the only body the yogi can fully control with his/her consciousness, taking advantage of the fact the fact that our consciousness is mostly adapted and clear in this world of the physical senses. There is no such thing that "separate" physical body. This is a materialistic view, one understandable the times we live in being given. When the soul's higher shells are separated from the "physical" shell in death, there remains no body, but just the sum of it's material constituents, what turns to dust eventually. Life is suprasensorial, but we are only able to witness it's sensorial manifastation. Once consciusness is raised to expereince this life, one becomes "immortal", if by mortality we mean the dissolution of the physical body.

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for instance, can an intensive month long retreat, many hours a day, of disciplined work, do it, for someone that has been doing it off and on ?

For some, it can, for others it cannot. I'd say, for most, it cannot. What it can do, is to boost one's awarness ... but that boost is usually undone when one faces ones's normal environment again. One retreats when one feels that the battle cannot be won. Noone retreats from a battle to leave the battlefield forever. It is regrouping. It is charging up.

Ideally, one becomes wise and expereinced enought to shape and turn one's environment to the perfect place for practice.

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I ask, because, I wonder, what is the attainment of the average westerner who casually does yoga, do they open the chakras and experience spiritual happenings at all , or do they just feel nice and relaxed?

What they experience, only they know. What do you experience ?

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is it possible for a hatha yogi to transcend and go up to places such as Godhead, just through his meditation + yoga, ?

Yes, I strongly believe it is, if by hatha we mean as all encompassing school. If by hatha yoga we mean asana practice in form of gymastics, than of course, one cannot expect more than gain the benefits of better physical health. (Again, a nonsense. In my language, for health is used a word meaning wholeness. So there can't be there such thing that physical health. There is only health, and when we separate the "physical" from vital, that is already an unhealthy thought.)

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part of the inquiry is that I have many serious energy blocks, and am in a Kriya school, it seems more pragmatic to fix them with hatha then with kriya, as the spine is quite in need of aligning.

In a world where admitting personal weakness is despised, and everyone goes for perfect health, smiling shiny teeth happiness, just admitting that we have issues takes great courage.

You are asking the right questions. You admit your problems. You are on the right way.

PS. Try to meditate on the orgigin of thoughts, images like physical body, neregy, blockages, aso. These are all borrowed from a materialist world view, when yoga deals with the unseen.

I am convinced now, that yama, niyama, and serious study of the thought systems yoga is based on is paramount for spiritual growth.

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