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justwannabe2010-07-05 03:55:38 +0000 #1
in my own experience I realiezed that I had become too attached to non attachment.


Lars Rimböck2010-07-05 04:01:36 +0000 #2
So give it up.

Lars
Pandara2010-07-05 04:43:35 +0000 #3
Tube,

Must say had a bit of a good laugh with this one, enjoyed reading it after my morning meditation, it add some sun to my day, thanx.

Anything I would say now would be further attachment, ditto.
Mirjana2010-07-05 04:39:53 +0000 #4
Hello,

you can see a cheerful video (cca 1 min) on swamij.com, there is a link to youtube.com; favorites: "Attachement vs non attachment" from puppetji69

I don't know how to link it, I'm not to technical
Bentinho Massaro2010-07-05 05:37:57 +0000 #5
YouTube - ATTACHMENT vs NON-ATTACHMENT: Video From YouTube:(link)


Here is your link Mirjana ^

Nice comment tubeseeker. The process of letting go trying to let go, or to be non-attached to trying to be non-attached, etc. is a familiar phenomenon in my experience as well. Its what makes the path so ironically tricky all the time. This contradiction, or rather tricky part of the path, shows just how transcendence is really something else. Something entirely not of the mind.

Thanks for sharing.

Ps. Here is a bit I wrote as a commentary on the yoga sutras. On the part that is all about non-attachment:

Yoga Sutras of Patajali #1.12-1.16: Non-attachment: www.yoga-mind-contro...1stchapter12-16.html
Hubert2010-07-05 06:00:44 +0000 #6
Non attachment is what it says. Non-attachment. It doesn't mean total rejection, elimination. In fact it is embracing life without desire. You feel pleasure, but you let it pass. Do not attach. This way no attachment is grown, no fear from losing pleasure, no anxiety in waiting for pleasure.

You can enjoy, but let untouched by desire. You can give without worrying if you get anything back. You can accept withour being bound by it. You can live your life fully, and not be the slave of it.

Non attachment is a positive thing. Any pleasure, any action is a gift to yourself, a new thing, a new experience.

We must learn to find peace and joy in letting things go as they come. Not evading them, but having them come through and pass as they come.
Mirjana2010-07-05 05:34:16 +0000 #7
Thank Bentinho, nice...
justwannabe2010-07-05 06:28:23 +0000 #8
thanks for adding your thougts

Hubert, in particular I found your post to shed a different light/angle that I had not thought of before, I kind of attached to it

thanks

seeker
smstout192010-07-05 05:41:53 +0000 #9
I know exactly what you mean! Striving to be an independent person with my own separate interests, finances, hobbies was great until I realized I had become too disconnected from the people I love the most. But how does one achieve non-attachment and still experience love in it’s deepest form? I believe it’s a never-ending challenge. I’m allowing myself to feel whatever I'm feeling and wanting now – while continuing to strive for a healthy balance.
Hubert2010-07-05 07:10:34 +0000 #10
It depends what do you think love to be in it's deepest form ?
smstout192010-07-05 04:30:09 +0000 #11
I believe the deepest form of love can be described as wanting the best for another person. Such as the love between a parent and child, a couple, siblings, friends, etc. Depending on what is needed at a particular time, this may mean strengthening a bond without becoming attached to a result (purely enjoying what is) or working toward detaching oneself enough to set someone free - if that is what they truly desire. Wouldn't it be great if everyone could actually DO this?
Bentinho Massaro2010-07-05 04:44:17 +0000 #12
Love in its deepest form has no form.
Hubert2010-07-05 07:58:40 +0000 #13
Quote:

Originally Posted by smstout19



I believe the deepest form of love can be described as wanting the best for another person. Such as the love between a parent and child, a couple, siblings, friends, etc. Depending on what is needed at a particular time, this may mean strengthening a bond without becoming attached to a result (purely enjoying what is) or working toward detaching oneself enough to set someone free - if that is what they truly desire. Wouldn't it be great if everyone could actually DO this?

I understand where you are coming from, but, and there is a big but here; can we know for sure what is good for another ? Trying to set someone free, or helping someone might actually reduce their freedom.

Also you use the word, bond. Believe me, real love does not have a bonding effect. It has a freeing, liberating effect. How can you be free if you are bound ?

Some measure love by the strenght of the bond, what is just another name for attachment. This is where your confusion has it's root. Because most of the time we measure our love by the strenght of the attachment, we cannot imagine love without attachment, we think if there is no attachment, there is no love. But non-attachment does not mean you don't care or feel for the other. You do what you do, freely, by your own will, and not by the impulse of the attachment, not from the fear of losing it, but because you are rich in love, and you serve others freely. Non-attachment actually gives you a freedom what makes possible to love more and more people, virtually anyone you meet. You cannot love a lot of people if you are attached to them as these attachmenst will work against each other and ultimatley your freedom is reduced to nothing. You ultimatley become chained. We realize that, and that's why we do not love every stranger we meet. We just love those who are around us. This is human love. Divine love is equal to all, no attachments. Understanding, care, help are all done in the light of this love.

We are capable of this divine love in the moment than we do not attach anymore.

Love is the same if not more powerful, but the chains are broken.
smstout192010-07-05 05:30:13 +0000 #14
Hubert, you appear to have taken my use of the term “strengthening a bond” a bit too literally. For many, striving for non-attachment can be a lifetime objective. In reality, our society is full of individuals with addictions, emotional baggage and “isms.” And this concept can be very difficult, if not impossible, for some to grasp. I believe a person must possess a great deal of confidence and tremendous self-respect in order to experience love in this way. I will admit, however, that I have been able to practice non-attachment with both of my nearly-adult sons and it is quite liberating. It's good to have goals!

On a side note - I just watched the Puppetji video. Loved it!

YouTube - ATTACHMENT vs NON-ATTACHMENT: Video From YouTube:(link)
Hubert2010-07-05 09:31:47 +0000 #15
I did not want to sound patronizing ... you are older than me and you are a woman. So I have double respect for you, as you have much more life experience, and because women naturally are better in giving themselves fully in any relationship. I have to thank so much to the women of my life, in fact they made me who I am, if I wanted to be better it was only for them, all the time.

My involment into non-attachment isn't a mental game though. It was and is a survival tool. It is the only way I think to avoid pain and suffering, and I am afraid of pain and suffering. Perhaps I am a coward. I have to give this some thought ...
smstout192010-07-05 11:04:21 +0000 #16
Thanks Hubert! I’m here to learn and share – aiming for copious shares of both! I really enjoy discussions that make me dig deeper. And this one most certainly does that!

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