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how much of this is necessary?

justwannabe2010-07-04 21:51:57 +0000 #1
How much of this yoga stuff is really necessary? chakras, nadis, anal locks, etc........ This stuff makes life seem like a huge puzzle where if you dont find the exact right ingredients you wont figure life out. How much do we really need to know? I honestly feel my theory is at a much higher level then my practice, and I am not saying my theory level is high. I am just to the point where I dont really want to read much more about yoga, I think I just need to find my tree and sit under it

just thoughts

Hubert2010-07-04 21:57:54 +0000 #2
Yoga is not about figuring life out. When one decides to practice Hatha yoga (as nadis and chakras belong to this path), one has life figured out, and one has found his/her answer, without any doubts.

And this answer is: I will never find any lasting happiness unless I find God (Brahman), the Eternal, The Omnipotent, The Omnipresent, the Ever Blissful, Supreme Love. Without God, I am prone to suffering, pain, and misery. Any temporary happines is followed by these. He is my only refuge.

So, it is this simple. No theories required, just the acception of this lonely truth.

This is the base of any spiritual endeavour, and without believeing in this, you will not accomplish much, but perhaps put yourself in peril. Without this, yoga is just healthcare, or black magic on higher levels.

If you have chosen Hatha yoga as your path, than you must deal with nadis and chakras. Find it uncomfortable or hard ? Choose another path. (Karma, Bhakti, Laya, Mantra, there are many paths) But make up your mind, and once a path chosen, stick to it by all means. The goal is the same, and noone forces you to chose an awkward path.

I feel you still do not have the right view on nadi's chakras. These are members of the subtle body. Not physical members, but they are membrs of your soul, as your legs and arms are the members of your physical body. Just as the physical body must be controlled through postures (asana) so the subtle, vital body must be controlled, and known, made aware of, by pranayama. You don't have problem with asanas ... but you have problem with chakras and nadis. There is no enlightment without the purity of body and without the purity of the soul. The body is the temple. The subtle body also is the temple. How do you expect God to abide in it if there is filth and dust and darkness in the temple ?

Not that I'd be any better than you ... I am writing these with love, and to strenghten myself, and perhaps strenghten you, my friend.
Pandara2010-07-04 22:33:27 +0000 #3
Dear Tube,

Yes, we have to be careful not to get too involved in the theory and none of the practice, that is why I always say, after you have take note of the theory, it is time to retreat within and find your truth inside, gain awareness and insight within. Ultimately our reality is not without, but within and also our truth. All these theories in yoga are therefore points that give direction. How you follow the directions, well that is up to you.
justwannabe2010-07-04 22:45:42 +0000 #4
so hubert, there has never been one enlightened who did not understand the chakras, nadis? Why do you say hatha is supreme? in the hatha pradipika he states, my conslusion anyways, that there are many ways to enlightenmint, not just one. I do believe you say this in love, your posts over tmie have shown that is where your heart is. Hopefully you see my views and responses the same.

justwannabe2010-07-04 23:05:13 +0000 #5

once again you have given words of wisdom. The hard part sometimes is what theories are worth pursuing, but as you say, that is a choice that is to be made within, this morning I sat under my tree

while sitting there I thought, maybe there is no "path" to enlightenment, only a journey

thanks guys
Hubert2010-07-04 23:05:27 +0000 #6
I did not say Hatha yoga is supreme. I said it is faster and thus, harder. By hatha I mean the eight limbed yoga, (not using the term ashtanga to avoid further misunderstanding)

And about enlightment without nadis and chakras, I don't know what's possible or not, but I feel they are involved no matter what -even if they are not specificly adressed.
Lars Rimböck2010-07-04 22:25:52 +0000 #7
Dear tubeseeker

The scientist says that the average wesern human nmoves 50 000 thougths daily in his brain.

When we add some thousand more to it by running to much araound all this theories Yogas citta vritti nirodha, the stiiling of the minds becomes more and more difficult if not completly impossible.


Pandara2010-07-05 00:53:05 +0000 #8
And as you always say, enjoy the ride...while on the journey.
Bentinho Massaro2010-07-05 01:16:42 +0000 #9
I remember getting lost in all the content of books and such. It helped me greatly, but there were times, more than once, where I felt like rejecting all that stuff and just figuring out truth myself by being in life, in Nature, in matter, trying to discover and truly see for myself what is reality and what is not. Trying to unfold the illusions that surrounded me and inhibit me.

I think that in every individual there comes a time in which he or she discards or has to discard all he/she has learned about life in order to truly progress, to truly transcend the teachings and experience it first hand.

Because in the end, all that we know about yoga, are just thoughts and mental concepts. They are not real either. No-one can teach us yoga. Think about this. All that we know about yoga, everything we know about it, is just in the mind and has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the essence that it refers to. Yoga tells us about reality, but the path of yoga, the teachings of yoga, can never be that reality, because yoga is a product of the mind, after the sages gave expression to their experiences outside of the mind. They had to explain it to minds. That, is yoga.

I think it is always good to realize that we don't actually need to know anything mentally in order to experience our own nature, don't you think? Do we need permission, or acces, from any of the external sources, do we need to obtain specific knowledge about everything?... What difference does it truly make if I know exactly where my upper left backwards trippled nadi is positioned? I don't think God cares for any of that...

I think God cares about your courage to defy all teachings and discover yourself by yourself. We need true courage in the deepest sense of the word, to rid ourselves fo all securities. That includes teachings (Yoga)!

So in my opinion: Just get out there and leave the books for what they are. Come back to them when you are in need of some guideline, when you feel you are losing connection. But try to experience things for yourself even more.
yogiforlife2010-07-05 00:48:11 +0000 #10
I think my Yoga practice is and has always been higher than my theory. I never felt the urge to read a whole bunch of books because from the moment I started practicing, it just seemed to make sense. The person who introduced me to it simply said, "you can read a thousand books or you can just do it, doing it is the best way to learn". I can't agree more.



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