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Bentinho Massaro2010-07-04 22:07:38 +0000 #1
Dear friends,

Lately I have grown more careful when it comes to healing people. For example someone has some pretty serious phsycial limitation/illness.. are we allowed to heal it? I, or rather, my ego combined with my heart chakra, wants to help that person in the example. There are ways to heal that person, but may I?

If I do, I take away their physical suffering and bring great relief. But am I not taking away from them what is perhaps one of the most valuable lessons in their life? Is it not that person's higher self that caused that limitation to make that person realize something profound first, before getting healed, without external help?

I take away some pain and suffering, but along with it, I take away a possibility for that person to learn and discover more of itself and a possibility to overcome an intrinsic part of that person that creates his/her suffering in the first place.

Is life not about each individual attaining freedom from suffering, instead of relieving the pain? If I heal, am I not merely taking away the symptoms? Should I respect people's lessons and obstacles more instead of feeling the desire to relief them from their pain?

What do you think? I wonder.


Fin2010-07-04 22:18:56 +0000 #2
The individual (the sufferer) who has found his way to you has done so for a reason.

I suspect you are doing more than just relieving pain. Their Karma has brought them to you. Often the pain has to subside before the path to true freedom from suffering can even be seen.
Bentinho Massaro2010-07-04 22:34:26 +0000 #3
Hm, thanks for your thoughts. I very much agree with your last sentence:

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Often the pain has to subside before the path to true freedom from suffering can even be seen.

However, when in great pain, a person can come to a breaking point, in which the mind breaks down, kind of like saying: "I cannot take anymore, I don't want anything else, Suffering must stop! I don't care if I die or not." Then that person becomes numb for a period of time, not caring for anything but the cessation of existence, or rather, the suffering that is intertwined with existing. This is a breakthrough and I believe that this process is suffering's ultimate purpose. To free you out of illusion. Suffering is here, to remind you constantly that this is not real and it is not where you want to be. If there would be no suffering, then this illusion would be like a heaven and we would never even strive for anything else. We would be kept even dumber.

So the ultimate purpose of suffering is to come to that breakthrough point in which the mind decides to stop. Because out of the not caring and the numbness, arises a transcendence of consciousness. The mind stops/ceases, partially or in total. The ego ceases to exist if the determination to cease, or to be liberated, of the one who is suffering, is final enough.

Unfortunately, I never see this happen. Instead of becoming conscious of why they are suffering, instead of realizing that this can help them to overcome a little more illusion, they just swim in their suffering and like to share it with as many people as possible to acquire pity and attention from them. Because they don't know all this stuff.

So still, my question stands. Any other thoughts on this matter?
Lars Rimböck2010-07-04 22:44:53 +0000 #4
For me Yoga definetly helps healing, but there are laws at least in Germany which prohibit to call it healing since that is only allowed to healing practioners and Doctors.

Anything that promises healing or only looks like it is in Gemany only allowed ot the group above.

That may be differnet in other countrys.

But I give it an other Name and tell the people Yoga is not instead of medicinal treatment but in addition to it ist healthy.

All The best

Lars
Bentinho Massaro2010-07-04 22:55:14 +0000 #5
OK Lars, thanks for the cultural update , but that was not my question exactly.

Maybe you do have something to share on the topic I started? If you have, please do so .

B.
Hubert2010-07-04 22:39:53 +0000 #6
Since morning 'til now, I have spent a few hours meditating on this question.

I think, if the subject is a christian, heal him/her in the name of the Christ, if he/she is hindu, heal him/her in the name of his/her chosen deity, if he/she's an ateist, heal him/her in the name of humanity. May the healing make them better in whatever they do, and let God take care of the rest.
Bentinho Massaro2010-07-04 23:17:29 +0000 #7
Thanks alot.
Pandara2010-07-05 01:13:32 +0000 #8
Dear Bentinho,

I share your concerns on this topic, but before i share my views, i need to know how do you heal. Are you a doctor, homeopath, Reiki master or do you have a tent on the corner of a street and everybody is welcome (we have those here in SA) etc?
justwannabe2010-07-04 23:51:53 +0000 #9
you said "what do you think" at the end of the statement. here is what I think.

you need to reread what you wrote and see how many "I heal" "I take away their pane" blah blah blah. YOU HEAL NO ONE, Take your I/EGO out of it. if you wrote it with so many I's, I do this, I do that, etc..... why do you write it that way. It is not your power to heal, you do not own it. You may have been chosen to be a tool for it to come through but you need to humble yourself and then you will be a better tool.

I know I may have written harsh words but you have spoken of healing without careful words. I know I may have thrown "fire" at you, but remember, fire purifies. take from it what you will.

Only my opionion/judgement, from my heart, my ego, both?

let me know if you want more thoughts, my ego would be happy to battle your ego

I am just being honest

I wish you the best, I really do

seeker
justwannabe2010-07-04 23:08:16 +0000 #10
if the power to heal would flow through me, I believe this is what my heart would want. Heal the person and leave them with a thought/seed to spark change for them to become more in love with themselves and the world. If they continue in ways that are on an unbalanced path, they will become "ill" again, if so assist in them being healed again and give them another seed. They may become reliant on seeing you and keep coming for temporary healing and you keep giving them seeds each time. The time will come where they seek you and you will not be there for them, but your seeds will remain and then the real healing will begin.

I have two sides

seeker
Pandara2010-07-04 23:54:21 +0000 #11
Dear Bentinho,

Remember healing is a gift of the Divine and that it is not you who heal. You are only the channel or conduit. The moment you start to think I do this and I do that, it is ego and bound for a fall. People also end up with you because it is the Divine Will who directed them to you and who are you to question if you may heal or not, if the Divine afforded you with this gift and opportunity to serve, isn't that what the Christ came to teach us? To serve our brotherman no matter what. This reminds me of the story of the good Samaritan, he didn't worry about karma when he helped the man next to the oad, he just helped and trust that God will do the rest in healing the wounded man.

I will relate my own story. Years ago I did Reiki Masters and became quite an accomplished healer and you can imagined how my ego grew as my confidence grew. Anyway after a few months the gift was taken away very abruptly, one morning the guide who helped me and indicated to me what to do and where to do things was not there anymore. What a lesson I can tell you that.

Today, God still uses me, but according to His Will and healing is only done, when indicated that i may serve as the channel. Therefore always ask for Divine guidance and trust the the Divine is using you and remain a humble servant ready to serve.

Hope this will help.
Lars Rimböck2010-07-05 03:23:20 +0000 #12
I agree with tubeseeker.

We are not healing, but healing happens sometimes through us. It is like beeing a channel for the devine the universal or whatever we will call it.

We are not the healer, but the man who delivers the mail of healing for the universe.

Isn`t that wonderfull.

All the best

Lars

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