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Motionless Meditation

Bentinho Massaro2010-07-05 07:43:17 +0000 #1
Greetings fellow Yogic Meditators,

The following Motionless Meditation is for those who would like to gain more control over their minds. It is a somewhat advanced meditation since it may not be very comfortable or relaxing in the beginning. Also the time we spend in meditation is over average. I can write a very long in depth post about this meditation, but I don't think that would be the right thing to do now, so if you have further questions of the mechanism behind it or want some more in-depth information or tips, ask, or visit my website(s) (see signature).

Motionless meditation

The idea behind this meditation is to gain mastery over the mind. As you know the mind always leads you to places and make you do things by creating a desire. The mind is most of the time not content and not in peace with the here and now, therfore it creates a desire, for example; "I should get something to eat now." Offcourse your body is not actually hungry, most of the time the mind just wants to flee from it's current situation. It is not purified enough to make it tranquil and at peace with the present moment. Unfortunately, we have identified ourselfs so much with the mind, that we are now fully dependent on it, and we believe that every thought, and every desire, belongs to who we are. Instead, it is just the impure mind. If you can recognize this, then you already have much more control over your mind. But still.. these desires are so strong that we can hardly say no to them. This meditation aims at giving you stronger will power to be in control of the mind. We are taming it. So what to do:

+Go and sit in a comfortable posture. It must be a posture that you can hold for a long time without any movement. Perhaps you would like some stretching before you begin. Whatever feels good.

+Set a time limit between 1 hour and...as long as you wish. But decide a time before you start, and then set your stopwatch or timer on that time.

+Don't move, don't scratch, don't even wink nor move your tiny toe.

What's the point in that? Well a Tantric Yogi Master once said:

"Just sit quietly for three hours in a row without moving, without even winking, then everything will be accomplished easily."

Now why would that be? Because if you sit quietly for that long, and you stay focussed and conscious while meditating, you will automatically become aware of the demands of the mind. The desires it throws at you. It will recieve outside stimulus, it will react to that by creating a desire, so that you complete the demanded reaction. For example the mind will percieve a tingling sensation in your feet, accordingly it will try to make you move the feet. Or it will smell some nice food and create a feeling of hunger and it will demand you with its desire to get some food. But remember, the mind can never complete this process without the expression of the body. It needs the body to go and do something somewhere. So if you control your body by not moving for a long period of time, eventually the mind will just have to obey you. It will become quiet and you will be master again.

It is a very nice experience and to me this is a short-cut to mastery over the mind. It is very effective. Just sit down, don't move, and let your attention become aware of all the thoughts and desires your mind throws at you. The moment you feel you are getting a desire, try to realise what outside stimulus created that feeling, and what your mind tries to make you do. If you watch this process, you are not your mind anymore and the identification with it will gradually dissolve. And you will immediately experience more control over your mind: www.yoga-mind-control.com/mind-control.html , its desires and the things you do. Afterwards you will feel stability in a flexible way.

ps. Remember the mind will also trick you in stopping before the end of the time, which you decided earlier. Don't give in, because then the mind is your master, instead of you being his master. Don't move, stay motionless in posture. And sit out the time you have decided. What you've decided, you must finish, That's the most crucial element of this meditation.

Love & Light,

Bentinho Massaro


john6012010-07-05 07:59:33 +0000 #2
Certainly very informative and useful. I would try it out. Thanks for sharing it with us. It would be really helpful for me.
Hubert2010-07-05 07:51:38 +0000 #3
I think what Bentinho says is to jump right into the fitfth anga (limb) of Patanjali's asthanga (eight limbed) yoga.

These are: Yama, Niyama, Asana, Pranayama, Pratyahara, Dharana, Dhyana, Samadhi, or in english, restraints, commitments, postures, control of vital energy, withdrawal of the senses, concentration, meditation, and supreconscious state. (not accurate but close translation)

He is right in that this is where "real yoga" begins and the phases before are preparatory. But their importance should not be neglected.

If you do not follow the restrains, and commitments, you can do any asana, and sit for unlimited amount of time to meditate and you will not accomplish anything. If you are a vile or ignorant man, without the control of animal instinct, no tehnique will grant you the superconscious state.

Yoga is not just a tehnique. It does not work the way, I do this and I get that. The whole being must be adressed.

So even if you jump to withdrawal of senses, concentration and meditation, but you have no control of your everyday life in terms of restrains and commitments, these still will be the first things to take care of. Your mind will have erroneus thoughts, false beliefs, doubt, and your heart will nurture dark feelings like jealousy, hatred, anger. This will be the first line of fire in this war against the mind. So isn't it more appropriate to focus on these first ? Life is not just meditation. We must live. How we live affects a lot our meditation. That's why tradition teaches how to deal with our everyday thoughts, behaviour and emotions first, so later on we arrive with less luggage to the plane of meditation.

There is no conflict in what Bentinho and Patanjali says. Only that Patanjali's way is accessible to many, and Bentinhos to only few. (Maybe more than in Patanjali's time, but far from being accesible to all, not even the majority)

Also, patience is a basic quality of the practicioner. Without it, one cannot be succesful. Hurrying things has the opposite effects.

I find the commitment to study to be of great importance, for example. Bentinho will disagree here. But the mind is not just an enemy. It is also a friend. Good thoughts, based on the work of those who went before us are helpful and avoid us to think the bad ones. (Yes, I hear him say that the only good thought is the dead thought - and he's right ... still it is a tool as the body is. It can and should be used.)Without this, an ignorant person will not accept the necessity of meditation, and without this, the avarege will is not enough to sustain such a hard practice.
Bentinho Massaro2010-07-05 08:50:27 +0000 #4
Haha I enjoyed your response Hubert, however, there are some missassumptions in it about me and what I believe, but that's ok.

Firstly, I do not see the mind as the enemy, nor do I picture this path as a 'war against the mind' because of one simple reason: My way is to focus beyond the mind, war means that there is duality, there must be 2 sides to have a war. One thing must battle another. If we are fighting the mind, we are not getting anywhere. If we let go of it and transcend it, that's when things get interesting. And that's when all the yamas and niyamas are absorbed in our character automatically.

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Yoga is not just a tehnique. It does not work the way, I do this and I get that. The whole being must be adressed.

So even if you jump to withdrawal of senses, concentration and meditation, but you have no control of your everyday life in terms of restrains and commitments, these still will be the first things to take care of. Your mind will have erroneus thoughts, false beliefs, doubt, and your heart will nurture dark feelings like jealousy, hatred, anger. This will be the first line of fire in this war against the mind. So isn't it more appropriate to focus on these first ? Life is not just meditation. We must live. How we live affects a lot our meditation. That's why tradition teaches how to deal with our everyday thoughts, behaviour and emotions first, so later on we arrive with less luggage to the plane of meditation.

First of all, I see no seperation, no difference in life and meditation. Living life = meditation. Thinking = not living life/no meditation.

Yes you can work on all these things, in fact, that's what I do as well, just slightly different. But you should not underestimate what you are already capable of. Who knows how many lifes you have been thinking that you had to prepare this or that? Maybe your insecurity is making you ignorant in regard to what's possible in your personal evolution... That's what I see all around, and that's what I pity at times. I am free of suffering with them, but I see what's possible and I see how their minds are fooling them with insecurity, making them believe they need a long, hard road, while happiness is right here, right now. Even my teachers lack that insight, that's why after decades of practice, they are still not enlightened. Just that one piece of disbelief, of lack of insight, lack of courage to see beyond the mind, beyond yoga, beyond the systems.

All you need to do is truly recognize that voice in your head saying you need alot of practice and that 'Bentinho's way' as you called it is inaccessible to most... its just a voice saying that, can you see? Just a voice. Its simple! Probably when reading this it sais:"Yeah he has easy talking, things ain't that easy." again.. its just a voice, just a vibration, a thought-wave saying this. What's real in that? What has ever been real in that and what will ever be real in that? Nothing right? its just a voice... then why do you believe in it's beliefs so firmly? Why do you allow something unreal to make you insecure?

The only thing that makes those beliefs in those voices real, is you because you believe in them. Once you stop believing what your mind throws at you, truth will remain. Those that find my immediate method inaccesible or: "for more advanced people with alot of practice" will find my method hard indeed, simply because they are consumed by the voice saying that... but it's just a voice. My tip: Stop believing yourself, stop believing every voice you hear, and suddenly you will see them for what they are: just voices. Again, it's simple, you just need to be courageous enough to radically change your consicousness by recognizing the things I said above.

Accept the fact that your mind is a total fake, and all insight will come.

It takes courage to defy the ego, the mind like this. The long way around is for the cowards among us, the hypocrites. But that's my opinion. The mind doesn't want you to not believe in its voices, so it will throw at you even more voices when you try this, voices that have a history, a past, that are charged with insecurity. They will trial you, and you will fall for them, untill you stop believing them! Then the mind will throw even more intelligent thoughts at you, because the mind knows what triggers you, the mind knows where your greatest attachments lie, and it will use it against you, simply because without your attachment to the mind, it has no individual existence. It depends on you. Stop believing anything it sais, even the response that your mind will try to make up here in this thread. Please do make it, but don't believe it and recognize the voices, the insecurities . It's simple.

Things aren't as difficult as they seem, you only have to make the choice to change these aspects, have the will to put aside yourself, your mind that is. Of course the mind is a wonderful tool, but a tool it is, it is not you, as you know obviously. I am not against the mind, I do not suggest annihilation, I only suggest not believing it. Let it talk, let it discuss, but be seperate from that. Observe it and don't believe it.

That's my way. Often for beginners even more accessible that for the advanced practitioner, becaus the advanced spiritual pursuiter, often believes him or herself to be highly spiritual and advanced. Their egoes are bigger than those new in the field. Some of the 'advanced' yogis don't want to face the fact they have been hypocrites their entire lifes. How painful! haha. Don't get lost in spirituality, in Yoga. Use it as a tool, but be very wary of it all, be aware of your mind, or it will just turn spirituality into a new sense of self, ego. Don't ever become a yogi, always remain you and stop believing everything you hear. Silence and truth will arise.

Bentinho
Hubert2010-07-05 08:01:08 +0000 #5
You make me insecure and not my beliefs. Those give a certain security, but you want to take that away in the name of the ultimate security, one what is unaccesible for me, at least yet. If it would be, I'd achieve it. But I can't not because I believe I can't and this stops me, but because I try and I fail.

Now, perhaps there are brave souls who keep hitting their heads against the brick wall until they break trough. But my head hurts so I rather slowly demolish the wall with one brick at the time.

You do the same but you play the master here with me, God only knows why ?
Bentinho Massaro2010-07-05 09:44:02 +0000 #6
I don't do the same, I jump over the brick wall when I want to, yet it is not permanent at this time. Permanence of that state is a choice coming from deep within, but just the ability to see beyond the wall gives so much peace and security unlike any other false security. And looking past the wall is not that difficult, that's what I am trying to say.

If I sounded like tutoring you, then I am sorry. I was sharing my experience not in general, but more specifically aimed at you.

You said:

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But I can't not because I believe I can't and this stops me, but because I try and I fail.

My whole point is: stop trying. The false security I am trying to break down, is the very source for your trying. Have you ever tried to grab a pen when its down? Try it. If you grab it, you did it. If you try it, you cannot grab it, cause as soon as you grab it, you are not trying it anymore. Yoga is a wonderful system of trying. It slowly brings us to the point of doing.

In my belief, if we stop trying, if all securities are down, if we are completely alone, without any securities to hang on to, what remains is truth. Becoming conscious of that truth that arises in between one false security and the next, is what I am talking about.

Lets not be afraid and be blinded by these false securities, let's not stick to them because we are afraid of hurting our heads, instead; let's be courageous and explore the gaps in between these securities, in between the thoughts. That's all we need.
Hubert2010-07-05 08:07:51 +0000 #7
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Have you ever tried to grab a pen when its down? Try it. If you grab it, you did it. If you try it, you cannot grab it, cause as soon as you grab it, you are not trying it anymore.

This is just a play with the words, and perhaps not a good example.

1. When the pen is within reach, the action of trying and grabbing the pen are not two, but one. In this case it is called grabbing. (There's no trying in this. You assume that until we did not reach it, we are trying to reach it, what is just a perception. I just as well can say that we do not try, we are in the middle of process of grabbing, which is just another name and another perception)

2. When the pen is in a position where it is not easily reachable, even though it seems possible with a little effort, than we try, and based on our skill and the distance, we succed or fail.

3. When the pen is completely out of reach, we do not even try, we just realize it is not reachable by hand, and we find other means to help ourselves like getting closer to it, using a prop or smthg else.

Applying this example, what you say: don't try, grab it - means: it is not out of your reach, it is already there. In this, you are like one, who says, hey, don't you see , it's there ! And I, while I hear you, I don't see it reachable. Of course this makes me frustrated, because I feel I am doing my best.

Now, here I have two choices: I believe you or I don't. If I beleive you, while I do not see how it is true, I still have to find a way to grab it. If I do not believe you I have to do just the same, if I want to grab the pencil.

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In my belief, if we stop trying, if all securities are down, if we are completely alone, without any securities to hang on to, what remains is truth. Becoming conscious of that truth that arises in between one false security and the next, is what I am talking about.

So this is just a belief. A belief I share by the way. I am simply not in position to apply it yet. Perhaps later I will realize this was the obstacle, but right now, even if I agree it might be true, I can't change it. (attachments, to lots of thoughts)
Bentinho Massaro2010-07-05 10:57:12 +0000 #8
Okay, I see.

I respect your path and understand your situation. Though that very situation is merely a thought, it is not truly your situation as I see it.

The very thing I am trying to oppose is this, you say:

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So this is just a belief. A belief I share by the way. I am simply not in position to apply it yet.

Think about what your mind is saying here.. it somewhere beliefs it to be true, beliefs it to be relatively simple like I said, but it immediately backs off saying: you are not yet in a position to do this.

Who the hell does this guy, this mind, thinks he is to decide such a thing for us?

Wel.. He thinks he is you. That's the tricky part.

Lucky us, we can decide that we stop believing ourselves to be him. If we do that, the mind can keep on believing he is you however much he likes, but you won't fall for its jokes and eventually its attempts will fail. Ultimately, you are in control, all we need to to, is make the decision. Why won't you see the difference between what your mind is opposing about my ideas on one hand, and yourself on the other? All you need to do is watch the mind as it says these horrible things that make you insecure and you will see the distinction between yourself and him. I bet you know all this. Then why don't you? Can you do that? Dare you do that?

All we need: understanding and courage. You got the understanding I am 100% sure, all you need now is courage.

The mind will oppose this possibility, and again, we have to be courageous and watch these thoughts without believing what they say. Positive of negative thoughts don't make any difference, as long as we witness and stop believing in them, it's all good.

You also said:

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Perhaps later I will realize this was the obstacle, but right now, even if I agree it might be true, I can't change it. (attachments, to lots of thoughts)

IMO opinion this very sentence indicates the very source of all your suffering and insecurities in regard to the spiritual path. Because, if you realize this is your obstacle.. (the attachments to thoughts) then why continue doing it?

I think that YOU realize that YOU are attached to the MIND, and then instead of taking control over the process, your mind drives you with those exact same thoughts to continue the way you do.

So the Irony here is that YOU realize your bondage to the mind, yet the mind overrules this realization with thoughts like you are attached to. Why do you listen to it? Why do you believe it? I wonder.

B.
Hubert2010-07-05 08:31:17 +0000 #9
Because I like it.
Bentinho Massaro2010-07-05 11:04:27 +0000 #10
Ok, I find that hard to believe.

Even if you do like it, somewhere inside you must value happiness over superficial liking.

But if you can accept things the way they are and truly like it, then there is happiness in that acceptance as well.

Any way, I wish you all the best. May your path be graceful.

Bentinho Massaro
Hubert2010-07-05 09:50:54 +0000 #11
I did not say this as an argument, but as fact.

It is easy to do what we like. The problem is that this usually leads us to things we do not like.

I must say I enjoyed this conversation. What you talk about has the simplicity and radical approach of advaita schools.

My recent knowledge of the lives of avatars and gurus like Nityananda, Ramakrishna, Ramana Maharshi, Shirdi Sai Baba is perfectly in accordance with what you say.

You know what ? I am applying what you say. It requieres keen awarness.

You are right. I was satisfied with my practice, and I did settle for less, postponing this important aspect.
Bentinho Massaro2010-07-05 09:15:20 +0000 #12
Great to hear.

Now that's courage

My experience is that once we start taking action and being courageous, the universe starts working for us at a much faster pace, much more powerful also. May you be blessed.

Goodluck!

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